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  1. #136
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    Ironically, she did a helluva lot more to unrig the system as a civilian than she'll probably ever be able to as a Senator.
    "I will punch you." - Wounded Bear

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFin View Post
    Explain. What is holding people back and who specifically is to blame?
    That is the million dollar question. What we do know is that the current system is not working.
    Fear is the mind killer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgeburner View Post
    t the end goal is the same: To make sure nothing meaningful changes.
    Do you really believe that?

    If so, do you believe comprehensive health care isn't meaningful? How about comprehensive pre-school education?

    How, for that matter, about gay marriage? How about the contraction or expansion of abortion rights?

    Minimum wage changes? Parental leave guarantees?

    Environmental regulation?
    APF doesn't come in screaming at others about how stupid they are. APF doesn't spam NST with the same tired topic 30 times a month. APF doesn't link to some kook in his mom's basement telling you how to, "Be afraid. Be very afraid" of the world falling down around you. And, when APF is proven wrong, he acknowledges he made a mistake and moves on, rather than harping about "sheeple."

    -- Cory Bonini

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgeburner View Post
    You wouldn't understand that because you haven't been told to understand it yet.
    Who do you think dictates Jim's political views to him?

    Personally, I suspect that if Jim defers to somebody unquestioningly, that person is probably holding either a grammar book or a baton.
    APF doesn't come in screaming at others about how stupid they are. APF doesn't spam NST with the same tired topic 30 times a month. APF doesn't link to some kook in his mom's basement telling you how to, "Be afraid. Be very afraid" of the world falling down around you. And, when APF is proven wrong, he acknowledges he made a mistake and moves on, rather than harping about "sheeple."

    -- Cory Bonini

    Welchie summarized

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndromedaPatFan View Post
    Who do you think dictates Jim's political views to him?

    Personally, I suspect that if Jim defers to somebody unquestioningly, that person is probably holding either a grammar book or a baton.
    A baton?

    You are dead to me.
    “All rear ends are different!”—Steve Beuerlein
    "I could have told you that."—Jim in NYC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim in NYC View Post
    You are dead to me.
    That is, I gather, one of your higher compliments.
    APF doesn't come in screaming at others about how stupid they are. APF doesn't spam NST with the same tired topic 30 times a month. APF doesn't link to some kook in his mom's basement telling you how to, "Be afraid. Be very afraid" of the world falling down around you. And, when APF is proven wrong, he acknowledges he made a mistake and moves on, rather than harping about "sheeple."

    -- Cory Bonini

    Welchie summarized

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nunchuckz View Post
    That is the million dollar question. What we do know is that the current system is not working.
    Oh, the system can always be improved. But people rise from the lower classes, get a good education, and make a good living all the time.

    Maybe the people themselves can take some of the blame for their own lack of success. Liz's "the system is rigged against you" message ain't helping d*ck. If she isn't a general in the Class War, she's at least a colonel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFin View Post
    Oh, the system can always be improved. But people rise from the lower classes, get a good education, and make a good living all the time.

    Maybe the people themselves can take some of the blame for their own lack of success. Liz's "the system is rigged against you" message ain't helping d*ck. If she isn't a general in the Class War, she's at least a colonel.
    It's sort of like Richard Nixon and company conducting illegal election activities on a Democratic campaign that lost by 23% of the popular vote and by over 500 electoral votes!!

    People understand how the system is rigged naturally toward the upper classes. They just don't think they need additional help even more.

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    Hillary’s still got the virtues her base has always admired: intelligence, experience, remarkable ability to take a punch and keep on running. Everybody loves the woman who showed up on “The Colbert Report” the other night, having a name-dropping contest with the host. Everybody remembers her determination to lift up women’s rights in Asia and Africa, her unflagging energy as secretary of state (956,733 miles traveled; total travel time, 2,084 hours).
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/14/op...h-hillary.html also reminds us of Clinton's stated policy positions in 2008.

    Back in the 2008 primaries, Obama was arguing that with the right leadership in the White House, America could get rid of the old brain-dead partisanship of the past and reach a new era of bipartisan cooperation. Hillary, working off long experience, said the real world was tougher and more complicated than that. After the election, as Washington ground to a hopeless, vicious, zombified halt, she was proved right.

    In foreign affairs, too, Clinton reflected what she’d learned when her husband was president. Airstrikes worked in Kosovo. Bill Clinton brought Israel and the Palestinians right to the edge of a peace deal, but the Palestinians backed away. The president failed to intervene in Rwanda, and regretted it forever. The bad guys only understood a firm hand. During the debates, she refused to say that during her first year in office she’d be open to meeting with leaders of countries like Cuba or North Korea. If the Iranians declared nuclear war on Israel, she told an interviewer, as president she would “totally obliterate” them.

    This is the Hillary who popped back up this week. She was probably being neither politically calculating nor blundering in the Atlantic interview, but simply being unusually clear about what she believes.
    APF doesn't come in screaming at others about how stupid they are. APF doesn't spam NST with the same tired topic 30 times a month. APF doesn't link to some kook in his mom's basement telling you how to, "Be afraid. Be very afraid" of the world falling down around you. And, when APF is proven wrong, he acknowledges he made a mistake and moves on, rather than harping about "sheeple."

    -- Cory Bonini

    Welchie summarized

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