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    "only one in four STEM degree holders is in a STEM job,"
    I'm going to call bull**** on that. Not that, by their metrics, it is actually a false statement, but that using that statistic is very misleading. Due to a bloated financial industry a lot of STEM students end up working there instead, because that's where the money is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexPKeaton View Post
    I think there is an abundance of jobs in stem.
    There is a shortage of qualified people to fill these positions.
    What are you basing this off of? I would guess i could find more evidence of an abundance of workers than i could an abundance of jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForWhoForWhat? View Post
    What are you basing this off of? I would guess i could find more evidence of an abundance of workers than i could an abundance of jobs.
    My first statement in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexPKeaton View Post
    My first statement in this thread.
    anecdotal evidence from the part of the country with the most STEM workers? Kinda weak in light of the survey don't you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexPKeaton View Post
    I think there is an abundance of jobs in stem.
    There is a shortage of qualified people to fill these positions.
    That is a completely busted myth and it's been debunked a over and over again.
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    Believe what you want. My experience differs vastly from the survey. Surveys, like polls and stats can be made to say whatever you want them to. Show me the hoards of unemployed stem peeps and we'll talk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexPKeaton View Post
    Believe what you want. My experience differs vastly from the survey. Surveys, like polls and stats can be made to say whatever you want them to. Show me the hoards of unemployed stem peeps and we'll talk.
    Like was said, those STEM qualified people are employed most likely but in non-STEM jobs. They are wasting their degrees jobs they need to pay the bills. This is the same story all over the country in a multitude of degrees, even those that are non-STEM.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...ry-s-Free-Pass

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...h-Tech-Workers

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/edu...isis-is-a-myth

    I mean, that is a mere taste of the search results from google on the subject. Let's not pretend here that you've looked deeply into this matter. The statement that there are too few STEM workers just doesn't hold water.
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    What Is Domestic Terrorism?
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    You are either with Our Constitution or you are with The Terrorists!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thelittlecheese View Post
    Like was said, those STEM qualified people are employed most likely but in non-STEM jobs. They are wasting their degrees jobs they need to pay the bills. This is the same story all over the country in a multitude of degrees, even those that are non-STEM.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...ry-s-Free-Pass

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...h-Tech-Workers

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/edu...isis-is-a-myth

    I mean, that is a mere taste of the search results from google on the subject. Let's not pretend here that you've looked deeply into this matter. The statement that there are too few STEM workers just doesn't hold water.
    Lots of STEM people end up in other positions... sure. Just like lots of people who study (fill in subject here) end up in something else. One of my best friends has his M.S. in Mechanical Engineering from MIT, but he's a forensic accountant now. He makes a little more $$ now than he did before, but not much. He just likes this job more. My B.S. is in Mathematics, and I haven't worked in that discipline since I did a short stint as an actuary decades ago. Plenty of people study something, but later figure out that they like something else even more. Nothing wrong with that...

    Another friend of mine is a college recruiter for the NSA, and he looks exclusively for STEM majors. We've had extensive discussions on the matter (since my older son is about to begin his Jr year of HS and is gifted in math and compsci) to help my son decide what is best for him. We've discussed internships, co-op programs, blah blah blah... in great detail. He assures me that if my boy gets his degree in Math, InfoSystems, CompSci, ElecEng, there will be a like of companies looking to hire him after graduation. And he would know since he's competing against them for the graduates.

    So I'm going to go ahead and believe what my eyes, ears and the knowledge of those who actually work in the industry tell me more than a survey.

    But that's just me...
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    Well, I'm a civil engineer, and we really don't need more civil engineers; We need more money to build the projects. We have plans sitting on the shelves awaiting funding. Plus, there's not a ton of new highways/infrastructure being built in this country, it's just reconstruction and enhancing the ones we have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForWhoForWhat? View Post
    It stops at money cheesy. It always stops at money. Your attempts to link everything to a bigger elaborate conspiracy is stupid and fruitless because no one needs to work that hard. It always is, has been, and will be about money.
    Actually it's about power. It's always been about power and it will always be about power.
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    It is widely believed that an excellent programmer is 10X as effective as an average one, except by people who believe that that figure understates the matter.

    Saying we shouldn't import programmers from India is a little like saying we shouldn't import basketball players from Africa; after all, we have a more than ample supply born right here at home.
    APF doesn't come in screaming at others about how stupid they are. APF doesn't spam NST with the same tired topic 30 times a month. APF doesn't link to some kook in his mom's basement telling you how to, "Be afraid. Be very afraid" of the world falling down around you. And, when APF is proven wrong, he acknowledges he made a mistake and moves on, rather than harping about "sheeple."

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