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    A look at WRs and the HOF

    I thought this was pretty interesting, as the topic has been discussed at least a few times on KFFL.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eiver-problem/
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    I root for a team that is a division rival of the Bills, so perhaps my opinion here is colored, but if Andre Reed is a Hall of Fame wide receiver, then damn.
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    Pretty good article. Neil Paine is doing some nice work for 538 regarding football.

    I certainly agree with a lot of what he says. It's why traditional measurements of aggregate numbers aren't particularly meaningful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyerhawk View Post
    Pretty good article. Neil Paine is doing some nice work for 538 regarding football.

    I certainly agree with a lot of what he says. It's why traditional measurements of aggregate numbers aren't particularly meaningful.
    Andre Redd is deserving- but Tim Brown should have been inducted over Reed- Brown put up better numbers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlerock50 View Post
    Andre Redd is deserving- but Tim Brown should have been inducted over Reed- Brown put up better numbers
    Yep. Tim Brown was a better player than Andre Reed.
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    I'd go as far as to say Brown was a significantly better player than Reed. I agree the Hall has a lot of issues with being objective. But it was never meant to be completely objective I think. I wish it were, but it's not. And as a result, it's a bit like the pro bowl - not totally worthless, but it also doesn't necessarily really reflect any accuracy in terms of players ability historically relative to some of his peers.
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    John Jefferson was the best WR I ever saw during his 3 years in SD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Complaints Dept View Post
    I root for a team that is a division rival of the Bills, so perhaps my opinion here is colored, but if Andre Reed is a Hall of Fame wide receiver, then damn.
    when i was a kid i thought he was a HOFer. then i grew up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yellowknifer View Post
    I'd go as far as to say Brown was a significantly better player than Reed. I agree the Hall has a lot of issues with being objective. But it was never meant to be completely objective I think. I wish it were, but it's not. And as a result, it's a bit like the pro bowl - not totally worthless, but it also doesn't necessarily really reflect any accuracy in terms of players ability historically relative to some of his peers.
    more often than not it does.
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    JJ was better than both Reed and Brown!

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    Quote Originally Posted by twolvesguy View Post
    JJ was better than both Reed and Brown!
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    Quote Originally Posted by twolvesguy View Post
    JJ was better than both Reed and Brown!
    Talent-wise I'd agree. From a mental standpoint though he apparently was as weak as a wet paper-bag.
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    He was no Brown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForWhoForWhat? View Post
    more often than not it does.
    Not often enough.

    Lynn Swan shouldn't be in the HOF, like on any level - at all. But there he is.
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    I'll give the article a read later. 538 has become one of my favorite sites. I have to restrain my linking.

    I think WRs are over represented in the HoF. Probably the most of any position. There are no less than a handful of questionable inductees at the position, and I struggle to think of any glaring omissions, like I can for most other positions.
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