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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastradamus View Post
    I mostly agree, but you never know with Hanley and Anibal in the mix either.
    Well Anibal had a decent 2006, but he had shoulder trouble the next few years.

    Having Hanley would've been nice. Although he would've been a CF with the Sox. At least until Ellsbury came up...then I guess he would've moved to 3B (the Sox had him spending time in CF in case of a call up). Maybe they don't make the god awful Coco Crisp deal. Maybe he moves straight to 3B. Idk. So many things would've changed. But without an ace at the TOR the sox wouldnt' have had the rotation depth to compete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Q View Post
    Well Anibal had a decent 2006, but he had shoulder trouble the next few years.

    Having Hanley would've been nice. Although he would've been a CF with the Sox. At least until Ellsbury came up...then I guess he would've moved to 3B (the Sox had him spending time in CF in case of a call up). Maybe they don't make the god awful Coco Crisp deal. Maybe he moves straight to 3B. Idk. So many things would've changed. But without an ace at the TOR the sox wouldnt' have had the rotation depth to compete.
    Yah, in the end when you get a WS, you go back and make that deal every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastradamus View Post
    Yah, in the end when you get a WS, you go back and make that deal every time.
    yeah that was really my point.

    You could in theory lose a trade horribly (say 1.5 years of JS for a HOF career in Russell) and if you win a WS in 2014 and the Cubs never do...you would probably do it every time.
    Mac9, to the true warrior. the ultimate competitor and the most worth adversary any athlete has ever faced off against. He was an inspiration for both his on the field play, off the field contributions and his leadership. The world is now a worse place without him.

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    Yah, the TIgers didn't win the WS in this scenario, but the ALexander/Smoltz trade was similar in that regard.
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    it was the same logic the Astros used to go get Randy Johnson in 98.

    And had Kevin Brown not pitched out of his damn mind, it probably would've worked.
    Mac9, to the true warrior. the ultimate competitor and the most worth adversary any athlete has ever faced off against. He was an inspiration for both his on the field play, off the field contributions and his leadership. The world is now a worse place without him.

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    There are never guarantees that a trade or move will get you a WS. But when a team makes a calculated move to enhance that opportunity and the opportunity and move make sense that it could be a reality, you have to pull the trigger. It may not get the A's a WS. But since they are in the thick of it and the move enhances those odds considerably, it's a solid move.

    Most teams make the move too often - when they don't truly have a WS roster...or they have a WS potential roster and bring in pieces that don't make them any better. In this case the A's brought in the right pieces to a roster that has a shot at getting them there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by griz View Post
    There are never guarantees that a trade or move will get you a WS. But when a team makes a calculated move to enhance that opportunity and the opportunity and move make sense that it could be a reality, you have to pull the trigger. It may not get the A's a WS. But since they are in the thick of it and the move enhances those odds considerably, it's a solid move.

    Most teams make the move too often - when they don't truly have a WS roster...or they have a WS potential roster and bring in pieces that don't make them any better. In this case the A's brought in the right pieces to a roster that has a shot at getting them there.
    I think this is why you'll see less moves though. Too many flawed teams that aren't really 1 player away.

    Verlander was 100% right. The A's got these guys for a matchup with the Tigers top 4.
    Mac9, to the true warrior. the ultimate competitor and the most worth adversary any athlete has ever faced off against. He was an inspiration for both his on the field play, off the field contributions and his leadership. The world is now a worse place without him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Q View Post
    yeah that was really my point.

    You could in theory lose a trade horribly (say 1.5 years of JS for a HOF career in Russell) and if you win a WS in 2014 and the Cubs never do...you would probably do it every time.
    Yeah, but sometimes you also trade Jason Varitek and Derek Lowe for Heathcliff Slocumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seahawksfan837 View Post
    Yeah, but sometimes you also trade Jason Varitek and Derek Lowe for Heathcliff Slocumb.
    Well he wasn't very good. That's a separate issue.
    Mac9, to the true warrior. the ultimate competitor and the most worth adversary any athlete has ever faced off against. He was an inspiration for both his on the field play, off the field contributions and his leadership. The world is now a worse place without him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Q View Post
    Well he wasn't very good. That's a separate issue.
    LOL, so true. That was the Mariners doing Mariner things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seahawksfan837 View Post
    LOL, so true. That was the Mariners doing Mariner things.
    And trust me. The entire New England area thanks them for that.
    Mac9, to the true warrior. the ultimate competitor and the most worth adversary any athlete has ever faced off against. He was an inspiration for both his on the field play, off the field contributions and his leadership. The world is now a worse place without him.

    "Have the courage to have your wisdom regarded as stupidity" - Justice Antonin Scalia

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Q View Post
    And trust me. The entire New England area thanks them for that.
    Consider this a virtual middle finger.

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