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    Quote Originally Posted by Underdog View Post
    It's also 100% different to imply the catcher has to passively stand there and not block the plate when the ball and the runner arrive at the same time, when the rule clearly allows it.
    The rules have never allowed it. Did they actually put a provision in that said they can block the runner's path without the ball?

    Because the part you quoted isn't it. The act of fielding the ball is not making him impede the runner. Him unnecessarily sticking his leg out.
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    Btw, the part you quoted isn't a new rule either. You've always been able to make a play on a bad throw and impede the runner. The same way Middlebrooks diving wasn't the issue, it was the post dive that they made the issue out of.
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    You're allowed to impede the runner when making a play on a thrown ball, yes. Not a badly thrown ball.

    7.13 is a new rule. It may be a clarification of the existing obstruction/interference rules specific to plays at home, but it is a new rule. And most of what's new puts the emphasis on the runner to do things differently, not the catcher. That was my whole point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Underdog View Post
    You're allowed to impede the runner when making a play on a thrown ball, yes. Not a badly thrown ball.

    7.13 is a new rule. It may be a clarification of the existing obstruction/interference rules specific to plays at home, but it is a new rule. And most of what's new puts the emphasis on the runner to do things differently, not the catcher. That was my whole point.
    If the ball takes you up the baseline (or off the bag if not at HP) and you collide with the runner that is not obstruction or interference. It's just a bad throw that you have every right to field.

    You cannot, and technically never have been allowed to, stick your leg out to block the plate without the ball.

    It's just something that has become accepted by umpires despite being a clear textbook violation of the rule.
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    Well if you want to get technical about what should be called, no you cannot chase the ball wherever it's thrown without being subject to a possible obstruction call. It may never be called that way same as the leg blocking the plate, but if the throw isn't in the general vicinity of where you're awaiting it and it's significantly off the mark and you contact the runner while chasing it, then yes you technically should be called for obstruction. Chasing after a bad throw and "in the act of fielding the ball" are not the same thing. Technically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Underdog View Post
    Well if you want to get technical about what should be called, no you cannot chase the ball wherever it's thrown without being subject to a possible obstruction call.
    If you are in the actual act of catching the ball and it pulls you off the plate/baseline and you connect with the runner that is not a violation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Q View Post
    If you are in the actual act of catching the ball and it pulls you off the plate/baseline and you connect with the runner that is not a violation.
    Yes I agree with you there. But there is still (technically) a judgment call of how far off from where you started you're allowed to go and still be considered in the act of fielding the ball. You do not have the right to contact the runner regardless of how bad the throw is off the mark. At some point it has to transition from "fielding" the ball to "chasing" the ball.

    There is a difference between fielding the ball to make a play on the runner, and fielding the ball in order to prevent it from sailing all over God's creation. At least as far as obstruction calls are concerned. Technically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Underdog View Post
    Yes I agree with you there. But there is still (technically) a judgment call of how far off from where you started you're allowed to go and still be considered in the act of fielding the ball. You do not have the right to contact the runner regardless of how bad the throw is off the mark. At some point it has to transition from "fielding" the ball to "chasing" the ball.

    There is a difference between fielding the ball to make a play on the runner, and fielding the ball in order to prevent it from sailing all over God's creation. At least as far as obstruction calls are concerned. Technically.
    If the runner can still have a play made on them (say they're really slow and halfway up the baseball, or they fell in btw 3rd and home and it's a bad throw) I think you're still fielding it to make a play on the runner.
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    Well if a guy falls halfway down the line and the throw is off the mark halfway up the line at the same time, then it woudn't really be any different than the "bang-bang" type of play at the plate, right?

    On a tag play at a base, the fielder generally speaking is awaiting the throw at his base, i.e., he is "occupying his position" (as per the wording in the rules), and the throw (again as per the wording in the rules) is supposed to be "in flight directly toward and near enough" to the fielder so as for him to be considered "in the act of fielding" the ball. If you're the catcher waiting for a throw home at the plate and the throw is 40 feet up the line and you chase it 40 feet up the line, that throw was not directly toward the fielder occupying his position, ergo, technically he is no longer in the act of fielding the ball for the purpose of making a play on the runner.

    It might not ever be called that way if it happened, but technically that's what the rule is supposed to be.

    Again the bottom line is that about 99% of the onus of this rule change is on the runner not to initiate contact. The catcher is still going to have a pretty good amount of latitude to get in the runner's way on those "bang-bang" plays. Assuming the throw is reasonably close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Underdog View Post
    Well if a guy falls halfway down the line and the throw is off the mark halfway up the line at the same time, then it woudn't really be any different than the "bang-bang" type of play at the plate, right?
    Exactly. But you're not sticking your leg out in blatant illegal attempt to block without the ball. You're in the process of fielding the ball to still make a play on the runner .
    Mac9, to the true warrior. the ultimate competitor and the most worth adversary any athlete has ever faced off against. He was an inspiration for both his on the field play, off the field contributions and his leadership. The world is now a worse place without him.

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