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    Quote Originally Posted by ThankGod4Walsh View Post
    Seems like a good opportunity for Obama's talking points.

    Instead of X million people who got coverage thanks to Obamacare, now it's Y million (when you include the inmates).

    Impressive.


    I'm sure we'll see that.

    Hey Walsh, mind checking out my computer help thread? I've been trying some things but can't even figure out what's going on. bumping now.

    http://forums.kffl.com/threads/30986...rs-please-help!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThankGod4Walsh View Post
    Because obviously Vin said felons.
    Non-violent drug dealers/possessors are felons in most states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimjack View Post
    Cali does have a 3 strike and your out law. I not sure if the state has been successful to bringing some sanity to it.

    Which non violent felons ought not to go to prison ?
    Anyone selling drugs that doesn't result in a violent crime, for starters. We have 3,200-plus non-violent offenders serving LIFE sentences in this country.

    (Drug Offenders in US Prisons 2012)
    Federal: On Dec. 31, 2012, there were 196,574 sentenced prisoners under federal jurisdiction. Of these, 99,426 were serving time for drug offenses, 11,688 for violent offenses, 11,568 for property offenses, and 72,519 for "public order" offenses (of which 23,700 were sentenced for immigration offenses, 30,046 for weapons offenses, and 17,633 for "other").

    State: On Dec. 31, 2011, there were 1,341,797 sentenced prisoners under state jurisdiction. Of these, 222,738 were serving time for drug offenses, of whom 55,013 were merely convicted for possession. There were also 717,861 serving time for violent offenses, 249,574 for property offenses, 142,230 for "public order" offenses (which include weapons, drunk driving, court offenses, commercialized vice, morals and decency offenses, liquor law violations, and other public-order offenses), and 9,392 for "other/unspecified".
    - See more at: http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Pris....dlgXD7xY.dpuf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimjack View Post
    Cali does have a 3 strike and your out law. I not sure if the state has been successful to bringing some sanity to it.

    Which non violent felons ought not to go to prison ?
    Prop 36 (passed in 2012) drastically limits the TSL ... someone has to be a violent offender to qualify, unless it's a case of molestation, certain drug trafficking violations, and some involving a firearm, all of which one can argue to be violent offenses.

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    Help me understand, are the inmates going to make appointments to go see their PCP at the local HMO, maybe get a referral for a specialist for that nagging whattchamacallit on their scrotum, or will they keep getting the same crappy care from the internal prison medical systems already in place, just now have a website to file for a reimbursement and just pay the out of pocket costs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cory J. Bonini View Post
    Prop 36 (passed in 2012) drastically limits the TSL ... someone has to be a violent offender to qualify, unless it's a case of molestation, certain drug trafficking violations, and some involving a firearm, all of which one can argue to be violent offenses.
    Thanks for jogging the memory. I recall voting for making changes to the original drafting. It was tryed before and California voters shot it down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cory J. Bonini View Post
    Anyone selling drugs that doesn't result in a violent crime, for starters. We have 3,200-plus non-violent offenders serving LIFE sentences in this country.

    (Drug Offenders in US Prisons 2012)
    Federal: On Dec. 31, 2012, there were 196,574 sentenced prisoners under federal jurisdiction. Of these, 99,426 were serving time for drug offenses, 11,688 for violent offenses, 11,568 for property offenses, and 72,519 for "public order" offenses (of which 23,700 were sentenced for immigration offenses, 30,046 for weapons offenses, and 17,633 for "other").

    State: On Dec. 31, 2011, there were 1,341,797 sentenced prisoners under state jurisdiction. Of these, 222,738 were serving time for drug offenses, of whom 55,013 were merely convicted for possession. There were also 717,861 serving time for violent offenses, 249,574 for property offenses, 142,230 for "public order" offenses (which include weapons, drunk driving, court offenses, commercialized vice, morals and decency offenses, liquor law violations, and other public-order offenses), and 9,392 for "other/unspecified".
    - See more at: http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Pris....dlgXD7xY.dpuf
    There was quite a bit of violence associated with drug dealing in SoCal. I can understand passing harsh sentencing laws to try and stem some of the violence. I can also understand state law makers passing such laws in an attempt to try to do something if only looking to be doing something.
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