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    Another drone targeter speaks up

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...es-us-military

    "How many women and children have you seen incinerated by a Hellfire missile?" And: "How many men have you seen crawl across a field, trying to make it to the nearest compound for help while bleeding out from severed legs?"
    What the public needs to understand is that the video provided by a drone is a far cry from clear enough to detect someone carrying a weapon, even on a crystal-clear day with limited clouds and perfect light. This makes it incredibly difficult for the best analysts to identify if someone has weapons for sure. One example comes to mind: "The feed is so pixelated, what if it's a shovel, and not a weapon?" I felt this confusion constantly, as did my fellow UAV analysts. We always wonder if we killed the right people, if we endangered the wrong people, if we destroyed an innocent civilian's life all because of a bad image or angle.
    APF doesn't come in screaming at others about how stupid they are. APF doesn't spam NST with the same tired topic 30 times a month. APF doesn't link to some kook in his mom's basement telling you how to, "Be afraid. Be very afraid" of the world falling down around you. And, when APF is proven wrong, he acknowledges he made a mistake and moves on, rather than harping about "sheeple."

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    But it goes on anyway, because "of what value is an innocent civilian life, anyway." A disgraceful, despicable practice.

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    It seems Americans like their innocent or civilian 'kills' not to be seen.


    An RPG....ok, a cruise missile...alright.. an atom bomb, sure.... just keep the cameras off the delivery system or projectile and we all feel 'good'.
    I promise I won't do it again

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    Our military generally tends to show an callous indifference to civilian casualties on "the other side". Examples:
    - the American government never officially tracked or publicly released "other side" casualty figures for Iraq or Afghanistan, civilian or otherwise.
    - I've read elsewhere than when officers were planning missions, if the estimated civilian loss was under a predetermined cutoff, IIRC 50, then no further senior-level approval was required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonMan View Post
    Our military generally tends to show an callous indifference to civilian casualties on "the other side". Examples:
    - the American government never officially tracked or publicly released "other side" casualty figures for Iraq or Afghanistan, civilian or otherwise.
    - I've read elsewhere than when officers were planning missions, if the estimated civilian loss was under a predetermined cutoff, IIRC 50, then no further senior-level approval was required.
    The US does have some formula of what is excepted collateral damage. If you don't think the US has sought to mitigate civilian casualties then you simply are talking about something you know little to noting about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonMan View Post
    Our military generally tends to show an callous indifference to civilian casualties on "the other side". Examples:
    - the American government never officially tracked or publicly released "other side" casualty figures for Iraq or Afghanistan, civilian or otherwise.
    They didn't care enough to even attempt to count them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglesnut View Post
    They didn't care enough to even attempt to count them.
    That tells you how much those in power value human life. The next question is, if those who run our country are so callous and careless with the lives of people overseas, do you REALLY think that our government cares that much about it's own people and would never harm us? The concerns about our own government mount by the year. We need better policy makers and leaders who have a greater sense of decency toward humanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglesnut View Post
    They didn't care enough to even attempt to count them.
    The military can't or won't even count enemy fighter casualties with any accuracy, and lost much face over that inability in Vietnam.
    APF doesn't come in screaming at others about how stupid they are. APF doesn't spam NST with the same tired topic 30 times a month. APF doesn't link to some kook in his mom's basement telling you how to, "Be afraid. Be very afraid" of the world falling down around you. And, when APF is proven wrong, he acknowledges he made a mistake and moves on, rather than harping about "sheeple."

    -- Cory Bonini

    Welchie summarized

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