Hey Raid, is this what you're talking about??

[ForWhoForWhat?]

From Oprah's Blackboard Wars:


This teacher is awful. Besides the area, she pretty much has a plum job (compared to other 1st year teachers):
-high school (least labor intensive out of elementary, middle and high)
-teaching 9th grade geometry, which likely means she's got the smarter better behaved kids
-small classes


In this clip i can't think of one thing she does right. But that certainly can happen when you only give 'em 5 weeks training. This is what Louisiana is moving toward with their teachers.

[Raid]

I'm confused as to the question. This is reality TV? What are the TV adults doing around underage students ....with no supervision -? What the fark was I watchin'? (I watched the first 2 minutes).

[ForWhoForWhat?]

Really? This was that hard for you? I mean you always complain that teachers feel they are entitled and better than everyone or some other bullsh*t. I thought that clip might in some way validate your stupid beliefs.

But cripes man, you relish in being obtuse, eh? Legit convo is indeed impossible with you.

[TheCardiak]

Huh... what an interesting school. They probably pass out get out of jail free cards instead of trophies at the end of the season.

[ForWhoForWhat?]

What exactly from that video leads you to that conclusion?

This ought to be good.

[griz]

is this a building plotline for a porno?

[Raid]

This is FWFW grasping at a TV skit of some sort to show that teachers be smart.

[Raid]

Legit convo is indeed impossible with you.

Are you serious? You post this video and call it legit? dickintheearwhat?

[ForWhoForWhat?]

This is FWFW grasping at a TV skit of some sort to show that teachers be smart.

Jesus, Raid, you don't know whether to scratch your watch or wind your butt. If that's what you gathered from that clip and my post, it's no wonder you've been in the bread line so often. My mistake for attempting to reach common ground with you. You play the dumb d-bag so well, i don't think you can objectively stop anymore.

This clip shows a terrible teacher who does feel entitled and does think she's smarter and better than the kids--something you frequently complain about--which is why i asked "is this what you are talking about?". However, your agenda won't allow you to make it more than 2 min into a 5 min clip. Hence it is impossible to honestly engage you. I cannot tell if you are willfully ignorant (which i suspect) or just have intellect rivaled only by garden tools.

I grant you the last insult.

[PopeyeJones]

This teacher is awful.

Painful. Sheesh.

[Gmaniac]

Watching that "teacher" in action brought back to mind the recent thread we had about the Lehigh student who sued her school over the C+ she received that kept her from advancing in her professional program.

This is why we have "weed out" grades or classes. Some folks may be smart enough to get good grades in the classroom... but they are not cut out for the profession.

In the end, it's a good thing that they get weeded out.

[RayClay]

Watching that "teacher" in action brought back to mind the recent thread we had about the Lehigh student who sued her school over the C+ she received that kept her from advancing in her professional program.

This is why we have "weed out" grades or classes. Some folks may be smart enough to get good grades in the classroom... but they are not cut out for the profession.

In the end, it's a good thing that they get weeded out.

Good point in regards to the other column. It just seemed so dishonest and arbitrary, though.

Why not just name the issue instead of calling it "participation" when the student clearly participated?

[Gmaniac]

Good point in regards to the other column. It just seemed so dishonest and arbitrary, though.

Why not just name the issue instead of calling it "participation" when the student clearly participated?

Again: I don't necessarily disagree with you, Ray.

But you have to understand: it's not often easy to get these "bad eggs" out of the program. Often:

- They are punctual
- They turn in assignments on time
- They do the "book" aspect of their work well
- etc., etc.

So in the usual, more "concrete" things that folks get graded on... these folks pass the test. Perhaps even excel.

Furthermore: you have to allow for the fact that most folks are going to be a little awkward or uncertain as they dive into practicing a new profession. How do separate the "awkward but have good potential" from the "crack-pot or unbalanced"?

It often comes down to a behind the scenes weed out... with the official reason given being kind of sketchy. I saw it several times in the program I was in. Like I said in the other thread... every time: everyone could see the problem except for the poor, unbalanced soul who was getting weeded out.

[RayClay]

Again: I don't necessarily disagree with you, Ray.

But you have to understand: it's not often easy to get these "bad eggs" out of the program. Often:

- They are punctual
- They turn in assignments on time
- They do the "book" aspect of their work well
- etc., etc.

So in the usual, more "concrete" things that folks get graded on... these folks pass the test. Perhaps even excel.

Furthermore: you have to allow for the fact that most folks are going to be a little awkward or uncertain as they dive into practicing a new profession. How do separate the "awkward but have good potential" from the "crack-pot or unbalanced"?

It often comes down to a behind the scenes weed out... with the official reason given being kind of sketchy. I saw it several times in the program I was in. Like I said in the other thread... every time: everyone could see the problem except for the poor, unbalanced soul who was getting weeded out.

I'm agreeing with you, my friend. I kind of staked out a position as far as fairness goes, since it was a legal issue.

We all might realize so and so doesn't cut it, but if that's all you have you are on thin ice legally, I believe.

I hope you understand my position isn't in reality, but just chewing the fat about the legality.

I just wasted X amount of dollars worked hard to get A's and this teacher gave me a grade that will ruin my career because she doesn't like me.

I participated all the time, yet she gave me a zero.

I'm just saying it's a legal argument and the loss of career and money she spent (notin this case, but..) for school represents damages. Make areview committee with reccommendations in writing, but don't use "participation" is all I'm saying. it's dishonest.

I didn't expect her to win, by the way, but this forum is to examine arguments sometimes and students can be damaged through arbitrary decisions. Take responsibility that your opinion as an expert is a reason for rejecting someone.

[Gmaniac]

I hope you understand my position isn't in reality, but just chewing the fat about the legality.

Ok. Fair enough.