And the Award to the most miserable US city in Forbes ranking is.......

**Jim in NYC** · 02-26-2013, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by seahawksfan837

Fair enough. I'm not trying to bash New York, it's just not for me. I'm an admitted Podunk town-loving, slow-paced guy. I have been to New York (part of an East Coast baseball trip) and I enjoyed it, but I was definitely out of my element. I don't think I bothered anyone, although my tourist colors came alive when I got in my first NYC cab... Talk about a roller coaster.

Did you visit Seattle during the summer? Despite the reputation, Western Washington is actually very sunny between July and September. It's the winter and spring months that dump rain.

Very honest of you, Donny!

And yeah, it was in the summer. And I'll take a winter full of rain over a winter full of f***ing snow any time.

**PatsFan2003** · 02-26-2013, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by Hyped

Yep, Manhattan has the density for sure...but cities like L.A., Mexico City, and Chicago have HUGE metropolitan areas...

The most densely populated area I ever saw was Tokyo by far...I mean at the red lights..you couldn't see the cars across the intersection because of the people walking in the crosswalk in front of you...no gaps at all...

Both LA and Chicago are still half the size of New York. I haven't been to Chicago but LA is a huge pain to drive in but LA still doesn't have half the intensity. It's over twice the size in millions. That's a huge difference.

Not Tokyo, Mexico City etc though. In fact, I think those places dwarf NY.

CLEARLY New Yorkers have an ATTITUDE, it's a part of their image that they like. Other places around the world don't, even with the people. I'm just saying people trying to compare other cities in the US with New York are missing some really key differences. There is a difference.

**PatsFan2003** · 02-26-2013, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Hyped

Additionally, I am from Boston...I hate all New York sports team...and their obnoxious fans...but I LOVE NYC....I would never live there...but so many cool things to do...

Ditto. And I've met and engaged plenty of friendly New Yorkers.

**Underdog** · 02-26-2013, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by PatsFan2003

Both LA and Chicago are still half the size of New York. I haven't been to Chicago but LA is a huge pain to drive in but LA still doesn't have half the intensity. It's over twice the size in millions. That's a huge difference.

Not Tokyo, Mexico City etc though. In fact, I think those places dwarf NY.

CLEARLY New Yorkers have an ATTITUDE, it's a part of their image that they like. Other places around the world don't, even with the people. I'm just saying people trying to compare other cities in the US with New York are missing some really key differences. There is a difference.

Yup...2x the people = 2x the a-holes...it's basic math...

**seahawksfan837** · 02-26-2013, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by Jim in NYC

Very honest of you, Donny!

And yeah, it was in the summer. And I'll take a winter full of rain over a winter full of f***ing snow any time.

That's definitely one benefit to living in the PNW: very little snow.

**Wounded Bear** · 02-26-2013, 09:08 PM

Oh, let's not forget East St. Louis, Illinois and San Bernardino, California.

**Jim in NYC** · 02-26-2013, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by Wounded Bear

Oh, let's not forget East St. Louis, Illinois and San Bernardino, California.

Didn't DC Comics use East St. Louis as a model for Hub City, a city so vile it made Gotham look like Metropolis?

**PatsFan2003** · 02-26-2013, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by Underdog

Yup...2x the people = 2x the a-holes...it's basic math...

Yes! It's just pure math!

**PopeyeJones** · 02-26-2013, 09:42 PM

"Rudeness" isn't the problem with New York and New Yorkers, IMO. My takeaways from having lived there, and why I don't like NY.

1) It's okay to be loud and it's okay to be dumb, but NY has a higher proportion of loud dumb people than anywhere I've ever lived or been in my life. The "just tellin' like it is!" schtick in which you loudly and definitively mouth off about stuff you know absolutely nothing about is quintessentially a New York thing. It's chutzpah combined with idiocy which is the problem.

2) New Yokers are still convinced they're the cultural center of the world (or at least the U.S.), but they haven't noticed that the things they lay claim to is all dying media that hasn't been a big deal for fifty years. Musicals? Seriously? Books and Magazines? LOL. While you guys have been mouthing off about how you're the cultural center of the country, all the media people actually care about is in LA (TV and Movies) and Silicon Valley (tech). While you guys weren't paying attention all the great chefs left New York for the Bay Area, Portland OR, and other culinary hot spots around the country. Seriously, you're the epicenter of musicals. Nobody cares. AT ALL.

3) The only thing New York is still the center of in the U.S. is the financial industry, and everyone in New York who talks about how awesome New York is HATES the douchebags who work in the financial industry. Your only true claim to fame is literally your most despised residents.

4) New Yorkers take living in New York as a point of pride, and love to chatter on and on about what it means to be a New Yorker and how not everyone can make it in New York. That's true. It's a total pain in the @ss to live in New York. The housing is some of the worst in the U.S. and the rents are the highest in the U.S., people are always in a hurry because it takes a long time to get anywhere,, it's really a remarkably dirty city, even simple things like getting groceries or doing your laundry is a horrendous pain in the @ss, you can make double the median income and still "feel" poor, and good restaurants have ridiculous lines and they're all overpriced because of the financial douchebags. The moral is you can either take it as a point of pride that you live in a ch!tty place, or insist you don't live in a ch!tty place, but you REALLY can't do both. New Yorkers INSIST on doing both.

5) The weekends suck. The city is overrun by tourists 2 out of 7 days a week and even walking around and maneuvering through the lookie-loos/getting a good cup of coffee is a pain in the butt. Why would anyone wanna put up with that? Oh, it's a point of pride that you can put up with that! (see #4).

*(just as a reminder, by "New York" I really mean Manhattan. Again, I really like Brooklyn and Queens).

**Predicto** · 02-26-2013, 10:12 PM

I was in New York for a week last winter. Pretty much everyone I met was pretty darn nice and friendly. My anecdotal evidence trumps your anecdotal evidence.

**TrueNBlue** · 02-26-2013, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Predicto

I was in New York for a week last winter. Pretty much everyone I met was pretty darn nice and friendly. My anecdotal evidence trumps your anecdotal evidence.

Same here. I've never had any problems with New Yorkers, and I used to have to fly there for work at least twice a month for a previous job. And the immigrant neighborhoods like Flushing are perhaps the most "American" places to feel American in America, for me.

You want to talk about unfriendly people, I'll take downtown Seattle Capitol Hill Seattle Hipsterville where the waitresses give you attitude because you had to audacity to solicit their establishment without any obvious tattoos or body modifications. Or any Southern City where the question "You aint from around here, are you?" is rhetorically asked to anyone without an open drawl. But neither of those I find truly "depressing". Depressing to me is any city where there are just acres upon acres upon acres of the same suburban sprawl with the same Bed, Bath & Beyond, Best Buy, Target inhabiting every strip mall intermittently dispersed every 15 miles.

**Stephen** · 02-26-2013, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by Jim in NYC

Nope. We're simply busy as close to 24 / 7 / 365 as it's possible to be without inventing perpetual motion, and when we're running to work / to make sure there's someone in the apartment to let the plumber in / getting the kids to the dentist / getting to Home Depot before it's a mob scene, we really don't have the time or the desire to do someone else's thinking for them just because they feel they can turn off their brain while they're on vacation.

*shrugs* And yet being so busy 24/7/365, you've somehow managed to have amassed one of the highest post counts on this message board. Busy indeed...

**Predicto** · 02-27-2013, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by TrueNBlue

But neither of those I find truly "depressing". Depressing to me is any city where there are just acres upon acres upon acres of the same suburban sprawl with the same Bed, Bath & Beyond, Best Buy, Target inhabiting every strip mall intermittently dispersed every 15 miles.

Tracy, California.

And you forgot to mention Applebees.