Where do you rank Cutler ???

[LeeGenius]

Welcome to the conversation. Could you do us the favor of responding to the OP and giving us your Top 10 so we can evaluate your perspective? Thanks.

I don't want to. It's one of these goofy hair splitting discussions without any real method of quantification. It is part and parcel with the media's imbecilic fascination with the word "elite" or "franchise QB".

Which is why I find it so ironic he was more productive without Marshall.

No he wasn't.

Good point. It doesn't explain the reduction in Forte's targets, though. Forte went from a smidge over 6 targets/game played last season to 4 targets/game played this season and I'm pretty confident he played in MORE than 50% of the seasons snaps.

Martz historically utilizes the RB more than other OC's. I'd look towards that as an explanation rather than to #BlameJayCutler https://twitter.com/search?q=%23blamejaycutler

Again, even if you break it down to a targets/game played stat, it's ridiculously lopsided. Marshall averaged 12 targets/game played. Our next closest was Jeffery with 4.8 targets/game played, followed by Bennett and Forte both at ~4 targets/game played.

I already showed that it's a bit dull headed to #BlameJayCutler when his other WRs weren't even on the field for 50% of the snaps but you played fast and loose with stats and push a "targets per games played" stat completely hand-waving my initial point.

Do something else for me. Look at the snaps % for the Bears and every other team. Go do that. As I pointed out, Bennett and Jeffrey, our 2nd and 3rd best wideouts, were on the field both less than 50% of the time. They weren't on the field to be targeted.

Never mind. I'll do it for you honey bunny. I'll hold your hand. Here is it.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/snapcounts

Wowzers! Marshall's snap percentage was "ridiculously lopsided"! Do you think his targets being "ridiculously lopsided" has to do with him being on the field more than twice as much as the other WRs?

It's almost like the teams whose QB's spread the ball around actually had more than 1 wideout on the field for a larger percentage of the snaps. Amazing how that works out! Check Denver vs. the Bears or the Lions (the Lions WR snap count looks similar to ours).

Maybe? Just maybe?

Nah! It's Jay's fault! That's the ticket!

It don't recall it being situational outside of it occuring LESS in the 4th quarter. He did it in situations where we were holding big leads, he did it while the score was tied and he did it while trailing.

The end all be all for the "he holds the ball too long" issue for me is this. His last year in Denver Cutler was sacked only 11 times in a whopping 616 attempts. That is once every 56 drop backs! I went to once every 15.8 his next year in Chicago. Did Jay Cutler suddenly decide to develop a bad habit for holding on to the ball from one year to the next and from one city to the next?

In 2010 sacks per drop back go to an astounding 8.3 per! Jesus Christ it hurts just to type that. How can a player not be shell shocked when you're getting sacked that often?

You have a player here who is actually predisposed to NOT getting sacks. He is quick, athletic, improvisational and can get out of a jam with the best of them and he has a very quick release. Yet he comes to Chicago and he is suddenly getting sacked 3 to 4x's as much as he was accustomed to.

What gives? Well, I say let's blame Jay Cutler!



Here is a little bonus. A video of Peyton Manning about to get in a fist fight with one of his olinement on the sideline. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbJSfVpe3GI

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[chewtoy]

We are confusing two issues here... the bears being awful without Cutler doesn't mean Cutler is top 10 in the league. It means he is >>>>campbell. Which he is.

That whole argument is a bit of a red herring. I'd wager 25/32 teams in the league would go 1-6 without their starting qb. Or something close.

[steelcitysledge]

LeeGenius (oh the sweet irony of that moniker) has convinced me it's time to take my leave.
His outright denial that Cutlers production dropped from 2011 to 2012 set off my 'meatball' alarm (I honestly stopped reading his post at that point).
No good can come from continuing this debate.
I've made my argument and feel I've backed it up sufficiently. You're free to disagree, but I'm not going to continue to rehash the same arguments (it's the lines fault! it's the receivers fault! it's the coaches fault!) over and over again. Nothing new has been presented so I will bid this thread adieu for now. Good luck to those who remain behind.

Go Bears!

J

[Wounded Bear]

LeeGenius (oh the sweet irony of that moniker) has convinced me it's time to take my leave.
His outright denial that Cutlers production dropped from 2011 to 2012 set off my 'meatball' alarm (I honestly stopped reading his post at that point).
No good can come from continuing this debate.
I've made my argument and feel I've backed it up sufficiently. You're free to disagree, but I'm not going to continue to rehash the same arguments (it's the lines fault! it's the receivers fault! it's the coaches fault!) over and over again. Nothing new has been presented so I will bid this thread adieu for now. Good luck to those who remain behind.

Go Bears!

J

Blah, blah, blah, I stopped reading your posts when you said we should keep Webb and get rid of Cutler.

If you want to act like a clown, be prepared to be treated like a clown.

[Mikefive]

Blah, blah, blah, I stopped reading your posts when you said we should keep Webb and get rid of Cutler.

If you want to act like a clown, be prepared to be treated like a clown.

This crosses over the "namecalling" line. I think this thread has run its course anyway.