Merrill Hoge's Top 5 QBs

[eaglesnut]

See this is my problem. By this line of thinking Boldin and Jacoby Jones are top 3 WR. The fact that everyone laughed at Flacco just 6 months ago when he claimed he was the best proves my point. You need more than a handful of good games at the end of the year to be consider the top at your position.

Morons laughed at Eli the same year he ended up winning the Super Bowl too. Try not to place significance on what a bunch of laughing morons have to say.

[flyerhawk]

Eli has been better in the post-season by far, and Ben has only succeeded 20+ TD's just three times in his nine year career. Eli has done it every year except his rookie year.

How do you figure that Eli has been far better than Ben in the post-season? Both have 2 rings. Ben is 10-4 and Eli is 8-3. Eli's rating is 89. Ben's rating is 83. Matter of fact the only stat that isn't a near match is picks, which Eli has a big advantage 17-8. How does that lead to a huge advantage overall?

[Anointed One]

How do you figure that Eli has been far better than Ben in the post-season? Both have 2 rings. Ben is 10-4 and Eli is 8-3. Eli's rating is 89. Ben's rating is 83. Matter of fact the only stat that isn't a near match is picks, which Eli has a big advantage 17-8. How does that lead to a huge advantage overall?

Not much difference outside the fact that Eli played much better than Big Ben in the SB's they played in imo... Eli definitely was not "far better" than Big Ben in the postseason though... Pretty close outside their SB appearances...

[Duke 21]

How do you figure that Eli has been far better than Ben in the post-season? Both have 2 rings. Ben is 10-4 and Eli is 8-3. Eli's rating is 89. Ben's rating is 83. Matter of fact the only stat that isn't a near match is picks, which Eli has a big advantage 17-8. How does that lead to a huge advantage overall?

QB Rating is skewed, always has been always will. Eli's QB Rating in the frozen game at Green Bay in the 2007 NFC Title game he had a QB Rating of 72.0, because he was 52.5% on his passes. In single digit weather, he still made big time throws and didn't turn the ball over. But a 72 rating is like he played marginal, it's a farce.

Against the Niners in the 2012 NFC Title game, he had a rating of 82.3, despite no running game, and an OL that was getting him destroyed in the 2nd half by the 49ers front seven. Alex Smith had a higher rated game. Looking and watching the game now, do you truthfully think Alex was better? Of course not, but that particular stat says otherwise.

Eli (+9) has a better TD/INT ratio than Ben (who is only +3) and despite those games in the frigid Green Bay, still has a higher completion percentage.

[flyerhawk]

QB Rating is skewed, always has been always will. Eli's QB Rating in the frozen game at Green Bay in the 2007 NFC Title game he had a QB Rating of 72.0, because he was 52.5% on his passes. In single digit weather, he still made big time throws and didn't turn the ball over. But a 72 rating is like he played marginal, it's a farce.

Against the Niners in the 2012 NFC Title game, he had a rating of 82.3, despite no running game, and an OL that was getting him destroyed in the 2nd half by the 49ers front seven. Alex Smith had a higher rated game. Looking and watching the game now, do you truthfully think Alex was better? Of course not, but that particular stat says otherwise.

Eli (+9) has a better TD/INT ratio than Ben (who is only +3) and despite those games in the frigid Green Bay, still has a higher completion percentage.

Well I must say the thought of you and Still engaging in stat parsing jujitsu sounds pretty amusing.

Having said that, you're engaging in stat selection. I daresay if I were to look at Ben's post-season career I could come up with all sorts of qualifiers as well which would dismiss the inconvenient stats.

The reality is that Eli Manning is 8-0 in two Super Bowl runs and 0-3 in his other 3 playoff appearances. He benefits from 2 extraordinary catches by his receivers along with some very helpful gaffes by the Niners special teams to get those rings. Nothing wrong with that but I just don't see how he is so clearly superior to Ben.

IMO, they are both 2nd tier QBs. Excellent Pro Bowl caliber QBs that don't quite measure up to the elite top 4.