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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondeye View Post
    Speaking of funny.
    Yah, the one intelligent thing Hoge said in that conversation was that Ben was arguably MVP before getting hurt. The guys' a stud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexPKeaton View Post
    Where people fit 1 through 5 is arbitrary IMO. Elite is elite.
    I find this to be a very interesting take.

    I kinda like it to be honest.

    Especially with so many variables such as coaching, the system, and supporting cast on both sides of the ball (not to mention non-football players like kickers and punters).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastradamus View Post
    I get what you are saying, but I don't think Flacco's in the discussion for #1 at all. He put himself in the conversation for top 5-10 this year. He has a ways to go. I'd like to see Flacco on a team that isn't ready made. I'd like to see him do it for 4 or 5 years consecutively.
    Fair enough.... but the guy has won post season, on the road, every single year. He's progressed each year.

    And he's got (well he had) one of the best unibrow's of all time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastradamus View Post
    Yah, the one intelligent thing Hoge said in that conversation was that Ben was arguably MVP before getting hurt. The guys' a stud.
    Before the shoulder/rib injury, the Steelers were leading the league in 3rd down conversion rate and he was on pace for 30+ TD passes. He pretty much sucked coming back off the injury. I cannot dispute that, but the guy was playing hurt.

    He's not as good as Peyton, Brady, Brees or Rodgers, but I still contend that he's on the fringe of that group and is still a notch above the next level of Flacco, Ryan and Eli, but haters are going to hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyerhawk View Post
    So Joe Flacco is now the No. 1 QB in the NFL? Because he had a hot playoff? Peyton Manning isn't even in the top 5?

    It's absurd.
    Or Brees...

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    Flacco #1? Brees and Manning outside the top 5? Wow, what an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexPKeaton View Post
    Fair enough.... but the guy has won post season, on the road, every single year. He's progressed each year.

    And he's got (well he had) one of the best unibrow's of all time.
    I don't intend to rip him, he has a very nice resume. So do Brady,Ben,Brees,Rodgers,Eli and Peyton though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondeye View Post
    Before the shoulder/rib injury, the Steelers were leading the league in 3rd down conversion rate and he was on pace for 30+ TD passes. He pretty much sucked coming back off the injury. I cannot dispute that, but the guy was playing hurt.

    He's not as good as Peyton, Brady, Brees or Rodgers, but I still contend that he's on the fringe of that group and is still a notch above the next level of Flacco, Ryan and Eli, but haters are going to hate.
    I think he's in the same tier as those first 4 myself. The guy's a winner flat out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondeye View Post
    Before the shoulder/rib injury, the Steelers were leading the league in 3rd down conversion rate and he was on pace for 30+ TD passes. He pretty much sucked coming back off the injury. I cannot dispute that, but the guy was playing hurt.

    He's not as good as Peyton, Brady, Brees or Rodgers, but I still contend that he's on the fringe of that group and is still a notch above the next level of Flacco, Ryan and Eli, but haters are going to hate.
    Well the biggest problem with Ben at this point is that he keeps getting hurt. His style of play puts him in harms way a lot and while he does well when he is on the field he simply can't stay on the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoKeR View Post
    You know this how? RA doesn't even know if he was kidding or not.

    Real Admiral doesn't care for Tony Romo as his QB, that's how I know he was being sarcastic...

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    Remember when Flacco said he was the best QB in the league, or that he was elite...something like that, before the season started? Doesn't seem quite as ridiculous anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StillSwinging View Post
    Some of you sound as bad as Hoge.
    Well of course if we don't agree that Big Ben is elite, we must be just as bad as Hoge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyerhawk View Post
    Well of course if we don't agree that Big Ben is elite, we must be just as bad as Hoge.
    Actually you would be. Painfully obvious Ben is in the top 5. Nine years of evidence.

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    Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour, no Carson Palmer? This list is out of whack.
    I promise I won't do it again

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