And this puts it to rest

**The Q** · 02-06-2013, 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by flyerhawk

LOL. Of course it doesn't matter.

It's a separate penalty to be debated on its own merits.

Whether Smith interfered with Crabtree has nothing to do with it when Crabtree's freeing himself came after Smith's hold.

Seriously, you're not this dense.

**The Q** · 02-06-2013, 03:58 AM

And we already talked about OPI.

After Bruce, Darrell Jackson and David Givens, I have no idea what OPI is.

**flyerhawk** · 02-06-2013, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by The Q

It's a separate penalty to be debated on its own merits.

Whether Smith interfered with Crabtree has nothing to do with it when Crabtree's freeing himself came after Smith's hold.

Seriously, you're not this dense.

It has to do with the ref's judgment of what's going on. If the ref feels that both players are committing fouls guess what he does? Nothing.

**The Q** · 02-06-2013, 04:05 AM

Originally Posted by flyerhawk

It has to do with the ref's judgment of what's going on. If the ref feels that both players are committing fouls guess what he does? Nothing.

He should throw 2 flags.

**flyerhawk** · 02-06-2013, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by The Q

He should throw 2 flags.

Yeah because you've seen that happen how many times ever?

**The Q** · 02-06-2013, 04:25 AM

If they can throw dual personal fouls when only one player actually deserves it, they can get this one right.

**flyerhawk** · 02-06-2013, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by The Q

If they can throw dual personal fouls when only one player actually deserves it, they can get this one right.

This is where your argument has wound up? You wanted to see the ref call one of the dumbest things in football?

**The Q** · 02-06-2013, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by flyerhawk

This is where your argument has wound up? You wanted to see the ref call one of the dumbest things in football?

I want them to call the game the same way in the 1st QTR in the first pre-season game that they would on 4th and goal in the SB. This is the NFL Competition Committee's own directive to the officials. It's not my own personal one. That's why I used the Casserly quote.

On this occasion they clearly failed to do that.

Smith blatantly commits DPI.

The only question is if Crabtree fighting through such an illegal move also commits OPI. The question is how much force is he allowed to use to fight out of such an illegal manuever.

And considering how close he was to the ball really when you get a good look at the pictures (like the one I posted), the ball is clearly catch-able.

**Bad Scooter** · 02-06-2013, 01:01 PM

Steve McNair made an awful throw to Kevin Dyson.

Discuss.

**Underdog** · 02-06-2013, 01:05 PM

I'll take "Misleading Thread Titles" for $400, please, Alex...

**Jim in NYC** · 02-06-2013, 02:46 PM

"Whiny fans of this NFL team have been making threads with misleading titles."

**PhillyGreen** · 02-06-2013, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anointed One

I thought Crabtree ran a very poor route on that play... He didn't give any juke or anything... Just an awful route and the throw wouldn't have been caught in bounds anyways... It almost looked like Crabtree initiated the contact to try and draw the penalty...

I agree.

After repeatedly looking at the replay unless Crabtree was as tall as Yao there was no way he comes down with that ball in bounds. Even if he was never touched.