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    I can't believe the Chiefs haven't taken a 1 round QB in that long. Baffling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Q View Post
    And I will say this.

    If you're a 3-4 team, how do you not take Jarvis Jones #1?
    Even if we concede there is no QB worth taking #1 overall, Alabama demonstrated why Jarvis Jones shouldn't be the #1 overall pick. Don't get me wrong, he's a great player, but I don't think a 3-4 OLB can have such a glaring weakness against the run, and go #1 overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastradamus View Post
    Its always nice to see QBs go off the board when you don't need one, that's for sure.
    What does that have to do with the Eagles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastradamus View Post
    I can't believe the Chiefs haven't taken a 1 round QB in that long. Baffling.
    Not when you consider Carl Peterson was their GM for 2 decades of that period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulu Bak View Post
    What does that have to do with the Eagles?
    That's a fair point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xulu Bak View Post
    Even if we concede there is no QB worth taking #1 overall, Alabama demonstrated why Jarvis Jones shouldn't be the #1 overall pick. Don't get me wrong, he's a great player, but I don't think a 3-4 OLB can have such a glaring weakness against the run, and go #1 overall.
    Not to mention the spinal stenosis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulu Bak View Post
    What does that have to do with the Eagles?
    I wondered the same but decided to pass.

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    Tyler Bray just declared for the draft. I think he has an outside shot at being the first QB off the board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastradamus View Post
    I think NFL teams are past worrying about too much time spent in the shotgun.
    I would say that it is more about a non-superelite player like RG3 coming out of an inflated system.

    Is he Alex Smith, basically.

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    The Eagles may need a QB, but they basically need everything, so I would prefer to see them pass in round one this year because the prospects are mediocre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Q View Post
    And I will say this.

    If you're a 3-4 team, how do you not take Jarvis Jones #1?
    Tamba Hali/Justin Houston are both double-digit sack guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iggloo View Post
    The Eagles may need a QB, but they basically need everything, so I would prefer to see them pass in round one this year because the prospects are mediocre.
    They sure don't look much next year. And people realize this "can he play in a different offense?" questions are going to become obsolete soon enough with less and less colleges sticking with "pro-style" offenses, and more and more NFL teams adopting "spread/college-style" offenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iggloo View Post
    The Eagles may need a QB, but they basically need everything, so I would prefer to see them pass in round one this year because the prospects are mediocre.
    Apparently you've had too many good QBs for too long.

    If you have a chance to grab a Geno Smith, I think you need to and let him battle it out with Foles.

    It depends on the offense but if they keep throwing it as much as Reid has in the past (I realize he won't be there), then I think Geno fits quite well.

    You take a QB when you've got the chance to because you don't know who will be available in the future and if you even have a chance to draft them or not.

    Next year's class looks putrid right now. You're looking at A.J. McCarron or maybe Logan Thomas and that does not inspire too many people.

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    Anyone got love for Bridgewater as a pro?


    edit - and for this year I am a little curious to see how high Manuel will rise. He has all the tools on paper and his stats are solid enough. Yes, he has dissapointed, but that doesn't mean he can't rise up draft boards quite a bit
    Last edited by Nastradamus; 12-21-2012 at 06:42 PM.
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    Just a note .... Jarvis Jones will be a late 1st round pick at best.
    He might be done with football all together.

    He has a severe case of Spinal Stenosis which is a narrowing of the spinal canal.

    Jones once played at USC. After an injury the trainers & doctors found out that he had Spinal Stenosis.
    Concerned for his life , they advised him to find a way to let go of the game. They wouldn't let him back
    on the team. He transferred to Georgia instead.

    Michael Irvin, Chris Samuels, Marcus McNeil retired after being diagnosed with this.
    Peyton's oldest brother, Cooper , had to quit football because of this as well.

    To put into perspective there was the mere rumor ( Jones spinal issues have been confirmed )
    that Rob Gronkowski might have symptoms of this and that is why he dropped to the Pats in the 2nd.

    Not only can stenosis w/ physical activity cause paralyzation , but it can lead to severe neurological damage and be fairly fatal. It is not a Torn ACL type of worry. It's life changing.

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    Re: Jones, Teams will probably knock him for it but the guys you listed played at a very high level for quite a while in NFL terms. Some teams might pass on him because of it but others will be willing to take a shot and will likely get rewarded with a top pass rusher for a number of years. You can't really count on getting more than a few years out of any player.

    The guys you listed played 6+ years at a high level.

    The medical opinions also vary. Just because USC said something doesn't make it fact. I don't know what his career will be but I suspect he will play for long enough to justify a high pick.

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/...-espn-magazine

    The injury occurred against Oregon on Halloween in 2009. By all accounts, it was a routine hit, but after staying on the turf for a few seconds, he was removed from the game. Within days, he found himself in the hospital, where a specialist told him he had a "mild" case of spinal stenosis, a narrowing of the spinal column. "I've seen this over and over again," Jones remembers the doctor saying. "If you play the game long enough, things like this will happen."

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    Still, while his play speaks for itself, there's no putting the hit behind him yet. As the 2013 draft approaches, Jones' neck will likely be evaluated once more. "There are no absolutes when it comes to stenosis," says ESPN injury analyst Stephania Bell, a board-certified orthopedic clinical specialist. "It's not uncommon for doctors to have differing opinions, and players must be evaluated on an individual basis. But if the condition is severe, injury could result in permanent neurological damage."

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