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    What if the Spurs had won? Does Pop still get punished???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Depp View Post
    To go off that, whether you like him or not, believe he fixes games/lottery or whatever, Stern is the undisputed best commissioner in sports. He knows exactly what he's doing.
    Saw this thread title, thought I'd look to see what happened there, laughed when I read this.

    He's expanding to global markets effectively. He's losing his home market effectively.
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    How is he losing his home market? Stern is certainly better than Goodell and Bettman. That's not even debatable. If Selig gets high praise from Nas, I'll take his word for it, although I'm not quite sure what he really does quite frankly.

    The NBA has the second largest T.V. contracts after the NFL. From the 2000's decade, overall attendance has relatively remained the same across all 4 major sports.
    Last edited by Depp; 12-05-2012 at 06:35 AM.

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    I stopped watching. I know others who have done the same. Perhaps the young fan base, and their naive outlook, makes up for it.
    "There were many ways of not burdening one's conscience, of shunning responsibility, looking away, keeping mum. When the unspeakable truth of the holocaust then became known at the end of the war, all too many of us claimed that they had not known anything about it or even suspected anything."

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    Which Stern would very much prefer since the younger generations are more valuable to advertisers. So anyways, Stern is at least, the second best commissioner in sports without any debate. Seligs job is by far the easiest. So that makes me put Stern at #1 easy. If that is laughable, you have a very poor sense of humor.
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    I'd love to hear how Selig has the easiest job.

    I'd say Goodell and Stern have by far the easiest job. China grew people taller than 5'4 and Stern had a whole new market that he didn't have to do anything to gain.
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    Goodell is far over criticized as well. I don't like the way he handles everything, but no matter who you had put in that role at that time, he would have made the exact same decisions. He's simply dealing with the realities that football is facing for now and the future. THe past too for that matter.
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    Goodell is such a hypocrit. Only he could pretend to care about concussions and player safety and also try to institute an 18 game schedule and Thursday night games.

    I really don't know anything about what Selig does..Guide the league through the so-called "steroid era"? I'm not sure if anybody really cares about steroids to begin with. What else?

    Goodell's job should be the easiest if he just made a couple safety rules and then left it the Hell alone.

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    Depp, it's become quite clear to me you are not a baseball fan in any way shape or form.

    I'd say Selig's job is harder than Sterns and Goodell's by a mile. Hockey is the only one that probably has an argument for being harder.
    Mac9, to the true warrior. the ultimate competitor and the most worth adversary any athlete has ever faced off against. He was an inspiration for both his on the field play, off the field contributions and his leadership. The world is now a worse place without him.

    "Have the courage to have your wisdom regarded as stupidity" - Justice Antonin Scalia

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    Yeah, I'm not, although because it's a sport, I enjoy the playoffs. I was genuinely asking before, what does he do?

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    I'm not one that should have an opinion on baseball really, but the no salary cap kind of hurts it for me (as well as the 162 games- making every single game pretty much irrelevant for who wins or loses).

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    Labor peace, revenue sharing, great success with things like interleague play and the wild card(s). The steroid thing was embarassing(though it brought back their popularity), but he did a good job getting things cleaned up afterwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastradamus View Post
    Labor peace, revenue sharing, great success with things like interleague play and the wild card(s). The steroid thing was embarassing(though it brought back their popularity), but he did a good job getting things cleaned up afterwards.
    Interleague play, wild card, cleaning up the steroid issue...again, I do not follow baseball very closely, but it seems to me like these are kind of easy decisions that had a low probability of backlash. The labor peace...eh...if the NBA loses half a season, every 10 years, I don't see it as an issue- it actually made last season even more interesting and fun with less games and a more compact schedule. He doesn't seem to like instant replay right?? I'm not necessarily against it, but for the sake of not pretending like its 1935 again, it wouldn't be a bad thing to get some calls right. I'm not saying this would be good for baseball, I really don't know, but I can say that there are 2 things that would get me to follow baseball: a salary cap and a much shorter schedule. That's all it would take for me (how the league and the owners probably wouldn't generate as much profit?? nonwithstanding).
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    A salary cap is the most overrated thing on planet earth. Baseballs revenue sharing plan is better since most teams wouldn't agree to the salary floor that would have to come with a cap.
    Mac9, to the true warrior. the ultimate competitor and the most worth adversary any athlete has ever faced off against. He was an inspiration for both his on the field play, off the field contributions and his leadership. The world is now a worse place without him.

    "Have the courage to have your wisdom regarded as stupidity" - Justice Antonin Scalia

    "Just because you're the lone voice in the wilderness, it doesn't mean you're wrong."
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