Jaws on rookie: "Foles will be a good starter"

[djm]

Vick, Kolb, now Foles....good luck with finding that dIamond in the rough through free agency or the 3/4 round of the draft at the most important position on the field.

I don't get why you feel the need to poke fun at our QB situation. Isn't there enough going on in your forum to beat your chest there? You trade 3 first round picks for a rookie QB that looks great in his first year. Lets see where you team is 5 - 7 years down the line. After all this is a team sport.

[swat]

Watch Reid put Vick back in as the starter in 2 weeks. Ugh. He really does do some dumb crap sometimes. Kind of like Shady playing at the end of the game vs Wash. lol.

[Darrell Green Fan]

If you are honest with yourself you would say Andrew Luck has looked Horrible at times this year....If you are honest with yourself you would say RG3 has looked horrible at times this year, same with Tannehill....Foles has looked horrible at times, Difference is they are high #1 picks, they have practiced all year with the first team, they are not missing 4 starting O-linemen...He has had 1 week I repeat 1 full week of practice with the first team. Those other Qb's have had a whole season....I feel the kid should get all of this season, and all training camp next year to fight it out for the starting spot.

Foles has missed more open receivers in 2 games than Griffin has in 11. There is a huge difference between the play of Foles and the play of Griff and Luck and it isn't because they were high picks or because they had more practice time with the starters.

[Darrell Green Fan]

I don't get why you feel the need to poke fun at our QB situation. Isn't there enough going on in your forum to beat your chest there? You trade 3 first round picks for a rookie QB that looks great in his first year. Lets see where you team is 5 - 7 years down the line. After all this is a team sport.

Wrong. It is a QB driven sport. You get one and you have a chance for the next 15 year. You have crappy QBs and you are, well, the Redskins 1993-2011.

[eaglesnut]

His footwork is bad and his accuracy looks average. We couldn't understand how he lasted until the 3rd round a few months ago but it is apparent now. Scouts called Foles a tease. He's got a good head for the details of the game. Pretty far along for a rookie so that is promising. But if he doesn't ever get the bottom half of his body working with the top half he's not going to be a starter for long. His tendency to drift backwards instead of slide and step up is very troublesome.

[Taz]

Wrong. It is a QB driven sport. You get one and you have a chance for the next 15 year. You have crappy QBs and you are, well, the Redskins 1993-2011.

You must admitt though the problems the Redskins had from 1993-2011 was just as much about the owner and his constant coaching changes, buying free agents that don't fit the team (just like the Eagles did in 2011) etc


Also Nick Foles is not RGIII, Andrew Luck etc. That is not what Jaws was saying, he was saying that Foles has a chance to be a solid starter in this league.

Foles lasted to the 3rd round because of the things we are seeing now, his footwork while better than in college still needs work, he does have the propensity to throw Ints, now 2 out of the 3 he threw this year were on balls that could have been caught. Also he is a huge guy so he doesn't have the greatest mobility. How Foles deals with these thing will determine if he becomes a quality starter or a backup in this league. Footwork can be taught, you don't have to be a fast QB to win, the INT thing is all about understanding defenses and that is going to take time, some QB's never get it. Some do.

[swat]

Thing is, I dont remember ANYONE here saying Foles was a sleeper or stud in tha making BEFORE the draft.

Once he is an Eagle, opinions can become biased. I know, Ive done it myself at times.

Dont assume he will be anything more than a backup even if he plays well these last few games. We should be going into 2013 looking for a franchise QB. Even if Foles turns out great (very unlikely), you can always trade the other dude. QBs are and will always be hot commodities and tradeable for more than they are worth.

[eaglesnut]

Dont assume he will be anything more than a backup even if he plays well these last few games. We should be going into 2013 looking for a franchise QB. re worth.

Who? Alex Smith or Matt Flynn? There's nothing out there. You ride Foles wherever that takes you. And you have a vet if things go south for him. Either way though there isn't a franchise QB on the horizon so Foles is the guy for now. Doesn't even matter what he shows the rest of the way. He'll be competing and the frontrunner for the job.

[swat]

Who? Alex Smith or Matt Flynn? There's nothing out there. You ride Foles wherever that takes you. And you have a vet if things go south for him. Either way though there isn't a franchise QB on the horizon so Foles is the guy for now. Doesn't even matter what he shows the rest of the way. He'll be competing and the frontrunner for the job.

Its still early but I like Aaron Murray from Georgia. Like I said...we should be LOOKING. Didnt say that one was out there for sure.

[FFL_Recruiter]

Thing is, I dont remember ANYONE here saying Foles was a sleeper or stud in tha making BEFORE the draft.

Once he is an Eagle, opinions can become biased. I know, Ive done it myself at times.

Dont assume he will be anything more than a backup even if he plays well these last few games. We should be going into 2013 looking for a franchise QB. Even if Foles turns out great (very unlikely), you can always trade the other dude. QBs are and will always be hot commodities and tradeable for more than they are worth.

I don't mind taking a flier on a backup QB, that has some upside --- but, then the Question is -- is the 3rd round where you want to take a backup when you have other needs???? It's the biggest reason i had an issue with the Kolb pick. You want a backup QB to have some experience, and be able to step in. Your better using the FA for that. Your 3rd QB can be a youngster with some upside to develop. Is that what you want to use a 2nd or 3rd round pick on??? I think it's been a mistake all along. That said, I think Enut actually summed up Foles very well above.

I do have eto say, if there is a better QB optino in 2014, then we shouldn't be forcing ourselves this next year in 2013. We can ride Vick another year or pickup someone in FA.. pick a solid OL (LT perhaps).. and realize it's going to be a 3 year rebuild to get to where we want. I think it's a huge mistake to force a QB pick next year in round 1 if there isn't one there that isn't worth it.

What are some of the best LT's coming out this next year???

[djm]

Wrong. It is a QB driven sport. You get one and you have a chance for the next 15 year. You have crappy QBs and you are, well, the Redskins 1993-2011.

I do not 100% disagree but if Dilfer can win a Superbowl anyone can.

[old duke]

They won't keep vick with his price tag. Even if he would retructure his deal, he keeps the maturing process stagnant wether its foles or another young QB. They need to groom foles, and if he can't cut it next year, then they have to look at 2014, unfortunately. Should have traded up for RG3. 3 #1 picks was steep, but they usually suck at drafting anyway. Hindsight is 20/20, I know.

[Birds4life81]

They won't keep vick with his price tag. Even if he would retructure his deal, he keeps the maturing process stagnant wether its foles or another young QB. They need to groom foles, and if he can't cut it next year, then they have to look at 2014, unfortunately. Should have traded up for RG3. 3 #1 picks was steep, but they usually suck at drafting anyway. Hindsight is 20/20, I know.

I was all for the 3 #1 picks for RG3 last year...Some people called me crazy. Though I'm not sure if the Rams would've taken 3 #1s from us over the Redkins 2 future 1's and 2nd rounder. Their 1st round was the 6th overall pick and I'm sure they thought at the time that the future Redskins 1st would be much higher than what ours would've been.

What really screwed us up was going from 4-8 to 8-8....That exact reason is why I wanted the Eagles to lose out at 4-8 and put us in prime position to acquire RG3.

Now I can only hope we go 3-13, unfortunately there's no stud QBs this year but I'll be damn happy with Star Lotulelei

[Darrell Green Fan]

You must admitt though the problems the Redskins had from 1993-2011 was just as much about the owner and his constant coaching changes, buying free agents that don't fit the team (just like the Eagles did in 2011) etc


Also Nick Foles is not RGIII, Andrew Luck etc. That is not what Jaws was saying, he was saying that Foles has a chance to be a solid starter in this league.

Foles lasted to the 3rd round because of the things we are seeing now, his footwork while better than in college still needs work, he does have the propensity to throw Ints, now 2 out of the 3 he threw this year were on balls that could have been caught. Also he is a huge guy so he doesn't have the greatest mobility. How Foles deals with these thing will determine if he becomes a quality starter or a backup in this league. Footwork can be taught, you don't have to be a fast QB to win, the INT thing is all about understanding defenses and that is going to take time, some QB's never get it. Some do.

Oh no doubt on the first paragraph. But a great QB can cover up a lot of problems and mistakes. See Peyton in Indy, Roth now in Pittsburg. Of all their problems crappy QBs is at the top of the list for the Redskins.

As for your second paragraph my post was directed at Wings, not Jaws, who claimed that Luck and RGIII have looked bad at times too. There is a mile of distance between those guys and Foles.

Make that 2 miles.