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    Who has the time? Who does this?

    We can only get 60% of the people to vote one time as it is!
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    You could, I guess. How many people find it worth their time?

    The closest state election was Florida. The gap was 70,000 votes. That's going to take more than a handful of vote cheaters to overcome. Now factor in the massive risks involved in engaging in such a conspiracy, and it becomes vanishingly unlikely that any serious voter corruption is occurring at the national level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyerhawk View Post

    And of course you are committing a crime and can be arrested for doing this. I wonder how many people find it worth their time to do this?
    None. The consequences are too dire in comparison to the return you get by casting one extra vote. That's why there are virtually no examples of it ever happening, and absolutely zero examples of it ever affecting any election.

    If you want to steal an election, you do it when you COUNT the votes, not by casting single individual fraudulent votes.

    Raider Bill is just expressing the paranoia of the bitter right wing. He knows in his heart that Obama is illegitimate, and he is just casting about for justifications in his might why the other guys must be cheaters that he doesn't have to respect. It's pathetic, and it is going on all over the far right these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thelittlecheese View Post
    Considering these cases are so hard to prove and the investigative will and funds just aren't available, then many people will try it without fear. There simply are no investigatory or legal teeth in prosecuting these crimes.

    Next Democrat idea. Black flash mob poll voting and ballot box stuffing. Caught on tape, but nobody is arrested...
    I know that you are an incredibly gullible soul, but really... black people are not that scary and the country is not being overrun by flash mobs. Stop reading Drudge - it's making you paranoid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Predicto View Post
    I know that you are an incredibly gullible soul, but really... black people are not that scary and the country is not being overrun by flash mobs. Stop reading Drudge - it's making you paranoid.
    That was a JOKE cross-referencing the KNOWN ballot box stuffing in black polling districts which kicked out Republican poll observers, along with the known flash mobs occurring across the country the past few years. Really man. Take a breath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raider bill View Post
    My bad there are 20 districts and 11 polling places... I could have voted 11 times easily, if I had the names of a person from each polling place that moved or died.

    http://www.moorestowngop.com/Polling%20Locations.pdf


    I'm not talking about voting multiple times in your own name, I'm talking about fraudulent voting for other people. Without a photo ID requirement there is no way to even catch it.
    And Raider Bill is correct. But remember, in some polling places on the East Coast, there were credible initial stories of Republican observers kicked out of polling places which ended up with suspicious voting irregularities. When the very polling place has corrupt and virtually insane people working on election day, there needs to be a swift and powerful legal response. So far, I haven't read any stories that Eric Holder is investigating and intending to throw the book at these Election polling leaders who rigged the votes and denied oversight. I will wait a bit longer but if Eric Holder doesn't take action it may be time for Conservatives to march in protest over these issues. The is a country of laws and I'm tired of these Democratic communities getting away with things that other communities would be put in jail for. Eric Holder is playing favorites on his application of the law and it needs to stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thelittlecheese View Post
    And Raider Bill is correct. But remember, in some polling places on the East Coast, there were credible initial stories of Republican observers kicked out of polling places which ended up with suspicious voting irregularities. When the very polling place has corrupt and virtually insane people working on election day, there needs to be a swift and powerful legal response. So far, I haven't read any stories that Eric Holder is investigating and intending to throw the book at these Election polling leaders who rigged the votes and denied oversight. I will wait a bit longer but if Eric Holder doesn't take action it may be time for Conservatives to march in protest over these issues. The is a country of laws and I'm tired of these Democratic communities getting away with things that other communities would be put in jail for. Eric Holder is playing favorites on his application of the law and it needs to stop.
    Yep, this is purely a Democrat problem


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-go...b_2102562.html

    Recent reports indicate that as of November 10th, 460,000 ballots remained to be counted in Arizona's Maricopa County, the locale of Phoenix Sheriff Joe Arpaio, the rabid SB 1070 supporter and notorious "Birther."

    Reportedly over 1,500 clear plastic boxes with ballots are stacked six feet high in the Maricopa County Recorder's office, and statewide some 600,000 ballots remain to be counted. In Maricopa County alone some 115,000 voters had to cast provisional ballots and 344,000 early votes remain to be counted, adding to the question about just how serious elections officials are about guaranteeing that all Latino citizens exercise their voting rights.

    The national media should feature this situation as a classic case study of the voter suppression network in high gear.

    Arizona's Republican Secretary of State Ken Bennett was quoted as saying, "If you are not voting in the precinct where your voter registration applies, then your ballot does not count. The ballot only counts if your voter registration is in the precinct where you cast your ballot."

    Couple this with Republican U.S. Senate candidate Jeff Flake's weekend robo call to Democratic voters directing them to vote in the wrong precincts, and you see an unmistakable pattern of Latino voter suppression.

    (Also, Maricopa officials were forced to correct voter instructions sent in Spanish that gave the wrong date for the election).

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    Quote Originally Posted by thelittlecheese View Post
    And Raider Bill is correct. But remember, in some polling places on the East Coast, there were credible initial stories of Republican observers kicked out of polling places which ended up with suspicious voting irregularities. When the very polling place has corrupt and virtually insane people working on election day, there needs to be a swift and powerful legal response. So far, I haven't read any stories that Eric Holder is investigating and intending to throw the book at these Election polling leaders who rigged the votes and denied oversight. I will wait a bit longer but if Eric Holder doesn't take action it may be time for Conservatives to march in protest over these issues. The is a country of laws and I'm tired of these Democratic communities getting away with things that other communities would be put in jail for. Eric Holder is playing favorites on his application of the law and it needs to stop.
    So, do you arrest people based on what you think is a good story, or just the ones who look insane?

    We are a nation of laws, but we don't have laws against having a story told about you, or looking insane.

    In fact, I have some great stories about Michelle Bachmann i made up that would definitely be less strange than her actual behavior, therefore credible, and as far as being virtually insane, just look in her eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KickSave View Post
    Yep, this is purely a Democrat problem


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-go...b_2102562.html
    Probably grounds for a criminal investigation here.


    Recent reports indicate that as of November 10th, 460,000 ballots remained to be counted in Arizona's Maricopa County, the locale of Phoenix Sheriff Joe Arpaio, the rabid SB 1070 supporter and notorious "Birther."

    Reportedly over 1,500 clear plastic boxes with ballots are stacked six feet high in the Maricopa County Recorder's office, and statewide some 600,000 ballots remain to be counted. In Maricopa County alone some 115,000 voters had to cast provisional ballots and 344,000 early votes remain to be counted, adding to the question about just how serious elections officials are about guaranteeing that all Latino citizens exercise their voting rights.

    The national media should feature this situation as a classic case study of the voter suppression network in high gear.

    Arizona's Republican Secretary of State Ken Bennett was quoted as saying, "If you are not voting in the precinct where your voter registration applies, then your ballot does not count. The ballot only counts if your voter registration is in the precinct where you cast your ballot."

    Couple this with Republican U.S. Senate candidate Jeff Flake's weekend robo call to Democratic voters directing them to vote in the wrong precincts, and you see an unmistakable pattern of Latino voter suppression.

    (Also, Maricopa officials were forced to correct voter instructions sent in Spanish that gave the wrong date for the election).
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    Quote Originally Posted by KickSave View Post
    Yep, this is purely a Democrat problem


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-go...b_2102562.html
    So, you consider preserving the integrity of the vote to be suppression? The reality is that there are a ton of illegals in that state and you can't blame Arizona for wanting to make sure people are eligible. To just let people walk up and cast ballots is stupid no matter where you are in the country but especially in a border state with a citizenship problem.

    Now, if you said the Republican head of those polling places kicked out the Democratic monitor and then we saw a big irregularity in the vote totals, I would be BEYOND OUTRAGED just like I am at the Democrats. This is a FIAT government now. I cannot trust my elections are legitimate anymore when there are no safeguards and the wolves are being allowed to guard the henhouse. When we can't trust that elections are fair and honest, we know something is DEEPLY wrong with our country and our people. I am worried. Very worried about what the near future holds if we don't steer back from the course we are on.
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    for the purpose of coercing its government and population public
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    You are either with Our Constitution or you are with The Terrorists!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thelittlecheese View Post
    So, you consider preserving the integrity of the vote to be suppression? The reality is that there are a ton of illegals in that state and you can't blame Arizona for wanting to make sure people are eligible. To just let people walk up and cast ballots is stupid no matter where you are in the country but especially in a border state with a citizenship problem.

    Now, if you said the Republican head of those polling places kicked out the Democratic monitor and then we saw a big irregularity in the vote totals, I would be BEYOND OUTRAGED just like I am at the Democrats. This is a FIAT government now. I cannot trust my elections are legitimate anymore when there are no safeguards and the wolves are being allowed to guard the henhouse. When we can't trust that elections are fair and honest, we know something is DEEPLY wrong with our country and our people. I am worried. Very worried about what the near future holds if we don't steer back from the course we are on.
    Nobody, in any state, can simply walk up and cast a ballot. Every state has voter registration requirements; the details are just different. One of the obvious requirements for voter registration is proof of citizenship.

    On top of that, if any Republican (or Democrat, for that matter) anywhere in the entire country had what he/she thought was a legitimate complaint about the election process, that person would have taken legal action already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thelittlecheese View Post
    So, you consider preserving the integrity of the vote to be suppression? The reality is that there are a ton of illegals in that state and you can't blame Arizona for wanting to make sure people are eligible. To just let people walk up and cast ballots is stupid no matter where you are in the country but especially in a border state with a citizenship problem.

    Now, if you said the Republican head of those polling places kicked out the Democratic monitor and then we saw a big irregularity in the vote totals, I would be BEYOND OUTRAGED just like I am at the Democrats. This is a FIAT government now. I cannot trust my elections are legitimate anymore when there are no safeguards and the wolves are being allowed to guard the henhouse. When we can't trust that elections are fair and honest, we know something is DEEPLY wrong with our country and our people. I am worried. Very worried about what the near future holds if we don't steer back from the course we are on.
    LOL, maybe you stopped reading the part where they had robo calls directing democrats to the wrong polling places, thus forcing anyone who followed the bogus directions to cast a provisional ballot. Or maybe you didn't read about the multiple sets of voters instructions with the English portion showing the correct election day and the Spanish version showing it as Wednesday... THAT is voter suppression at its finest.

    I have no problem with making people register, prove their citizenship, and even requiring the showing ID, provided those processes are fair and impartial. What I posted above has nothing to do with registration issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KickSave View Post
    LOL, maybe you stopped reading the part where they had robo calls directing democrats to the wrong polling places, thus forcing anyone who followed the bogus directions to cast a provisional ballot. Or maybe you didn't read about the multiple sets of voters instructions with the English portion showing the correct election day and the Spanish version showing it as Wednesday... THAT is voter suppression at its finest.

    I have no problem with making people register, prove their citizenship, and even requiring the showing ID, provided those processes are fair and impartial. What I posted above has nothing to do with registration issues.
    He'll just ignore that. doesn't fit his preconceived world views.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thelittlecheese View Post
    So, you consider preserving the integrity of the vote to be suppression? The reality is that there are a ton of illegals in that state and you can't blame Arizona for wanting to make sure people are eligible. To just let people walk up and cast ballots is stupid no matter where you are in the country but especially in a border state with a citizenship problem.

    Now, if you said the Republican head of those polling places kicked out the Democratic monitor and then we saw a big irregularity in the vote totals, I would be BEYOND OUTRAGED just like I am at the Democrats. This is a FIAT government now. I cannot trust my elections are legitimate anymore when there are no safeguards and the wolves are being allowed to guard the henhouse. When we can't trust that elections are fair and honest, we know something is DEEPLY wrong with our country and our people. I am worried. Very worried about what the near future holds if we don't steer back from the course we are on.
    Jesus dude, are you even in our fvcking solar system? You are so far out there...
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