QB: M ryan, R Fitzpatrick
RB: Mcfadden, Richardson, D Martin, M Leshoure, Chris Johnson
WR: Aj green, Harvin, Decker, Maclin, Hawkins
TE: h miller, S Chandler
D: Houston, Seattle
K- Zuerlein
Johnson is going to have more opportunity and is the clear cut number 1 back. Mathews has the much better O-Line and offense in general, but is currently in a time share and may not get some to any of the goal line carries. Do you feel better about the chances of Johnson becoming more productive over time, or Mathews getting to be the clear cut #1 on his team. IMO, if Mathews does become the clear #1 and gets goallines, he will be the most productive of the two.
Which would your rather gamble on? It's all just a guess at this point.
You've got another underperforming superstar in McFadden, can you afford to wait and see whether he and CJ can turn it around?
CJ -looks- like he's starting to come around and, if he does, he has a much higher ceiling than Mathews. He does face a tougher matchup this week (Min), however, than Mathews (New Orleans) so you need to ask yourself: do I feel lucky?
Mathews seems to be one of those guys that has everything you could possibly want in a "RB1", but just can't seem to put it together, for whatever reason. There's few better situations to be in for a running back than working with Norv Turner, yet Jackie Battle remains #1 on the Chargers depth chart.
To me, both players are high-risk, high reward. If CJ comes around, he's a 1400-yard-caliber RB, but he could also just as well flame out. Mathews could eventually take the starting role away from Battle, or the Chargers could stick with Battle.
Tough decision. Maybe try to ask for a little more, in addition to Mathews, in return for Johnson?
I would do it. Mathews fumbled one time (IIRC) in his first game back after a 5-6 week layoff due to injury.
Battle looks OK but I believe only averaged 2-3 YPC last week. Can you get him as a handcuff?
I think Battle may get the goal-line carries ala Tolbert but Mathews will still get close to 20 carries. I suspect it will be much like Forte/Bush in Chicago.
I didn't watch much of the Titans game last week but the local radio guy said that some/many of CJ's yards last week came in garbage time and were meaningless. Something to consider, since he has been terrible up until this point.
Overall, I'd do it.....both players are a risk. Try to get Battle as the handcuff.
People are over-reacting to Ryan Matthews’ perceived drop in value and Chris Johnson’s perceived rise in value. Both are one-week mirages and Mathews is the overwhelmingly superior value.
Norv reduced Ryan’s workload against a weaker opponent as one-week “lesson” dictated by the GM’s ego. Mathews will be back in business this Sunday, though Battle might linger another week but Battle is decided inferior to Mathews, who is at least a top-10 RB, if not a top-5 RB.
Johnson on the other hand is a bust and belongs on the waiver wire based on his performances over the last 20 games or so. He and his O-line didn’t suddenly improve mid-game last Sunday. Locker got hurt and Houston, with game in hand, went conservative because they hadn’t game-planned for Hasselbeck, a wily veteran QB with passing skills. This lucky break gave Johnson some extra berth and the appearance of improvement.
This is an extraordinary sell-high/buy-low opportunity for you to unload a bust and acquire a premium player.
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Murray has been terrible due to his OL stinking. I believe their center is coming back soon, not sure about any other changes. I would probably take that deal because Nicks >>> Moore IMO, at least when healthy, which has always been a problem with Nicks.
So many of these trades are risky either way because of injuries and unknown future lineup changes. I think Mathews is being sold short right now but there is no way to know whether SD goes all Shanahan on the bit and starts a nobody for the rest of the season. Seems unlikely but who knows.
If you trade for Mathews, just pick up Battle and you should be OK.
You've got another underperforming superstar in McFadden, can you afford to wait and see whether he and CJ can turn it around?
CJ -looks- like he's starting to come around and, if he does, he has a much higher ceiling than Mathews. He does face a tougher matchup this week (Min), however, than Mathews (New Orleans) so you need to ask yourself: do I feel lucky?
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great point.
you're loaded with RBs right now, but, to me, thin at WR and don't have one of those true studs at TE.
what would be the point on improving your bench (bench player for bench player - that's how i'm reading it the way you have it typed out).
of course, i'd take the deal, personally. i don't think CJ is what we all thought he was, and so far, Matthews has the media overblowing anything that happens in SD. the dude gets yards/touches and makes the most out of them, whereas CJ gets touches, but doesn't do shizzle with them the past 2-3 years.
and since this is your 5th RB listed on the depth chart, and i doubt you start more than a possible 3 RBs per week, what difference will it make? would you start Matthews over CJ (i know i would if this was a choice of my #2 RB).
Originally Posted by PsychoViking
I would do it. Mathews fumbled one time (IIRC) in his first game back after a 5-6 week layoff due to injury.
Battle looks OK but I believe only averaged 2-3 YPC last week. Can you get him as a handcuff?
being a KC fan, i can tell you that Battle will never play better than he's playing right now. he should've been cut from the chiefs roster in camp last season, somehow stuck around, got lucky that J. Charles got hurt... no speed, a little power due to his size, no hands, no vision, no moves. a plodder, at best.
and this is my opinion, but how many people actually "play" their handcuff RB?? if you're stuck trying to play a guy who may, or not, get some goalline touches, then you're hurting at that position. looking at his roster, i'd NEVER start Battle... ever... even if the other 3 RBs were on bye.
again, my opinion on the matter. if you wouldn't start the guy, ever, why roster him? and looking at your RB position, he'd (Battle) be a downgrade.
Originally Posted by lechrus2
I’d have taken that offer.
People are over-reacting to Ryan Matthews’ perceived drop in value and Chris Johnson’s perceived rise in value. Both are one-week mirages and Mathews is the overwhelmingly superior value.
Norv reduced Ryan’s workload against a weaker opponent as one-week “lesson” dictated by the GM’s ego. Mathews will be back in business this Sunday, though Battle might linger another week but Battle is decided inferior to Mathews, who is at least a top-10 RB, if not a top-5 RB.
Johnson on the other hand is a bust and belongs on the waiver wire based on his performances over the last 20 games or so. He and his O-line didn’t suddenly improve mid-game last Sunday. Locker got hurt and Houston, with game in hand, went conservative because they hadn’t game-planned for Hasselbeck, a wily veteran QB with passing skills. This lucky break gave Johnson some extra berth and the appearance of improvement.
This is an extraordinary sell-high/buy-low opportunity for you to unload a bust and acquire a premium player.
what he said.
Battle will be on the waiver wire in 2 weeks time, and sliding down that list of available players (unless matthews gets hurt, but then again, so could anyone in the NFL).
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my own thoughts: what you should be doing is improving your WR/TE position with the depth you have at RB. 5 RBs, but how many can you start per week, 2 or 3? yet you could probably start 2-4 WRs in most leagues nowadays with all the flex positions.
if someone wants CJ, i'd be after a top notch TE over what i believe is "heath miller???" and S. chandler...
might as well use your depth to improve your starters, unless you have an odd rule where your bench scoring actually matters. not saying depth isn't good to have, but great depth at one position while you are lacking quality starters at another is failing to maximize your roster to score the most points per week.
C. Johnson.....0.9 FP....29 total yards - fumble lost.....15 for 24 rushing (1.6 ypr)...1 for 5 receiving
R. Mathews...19.9 FP...139 total yards + TD ............. 12 for 80 rushing (6.7 ypr)...6 for 59 recieving
J. Battle.........1.7 FP.....17 total yards.........................4 for 10 rushing (2.5 ypr)....2 for 7 receiving
I rest my case.
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Last edited by lechrus2; 10-08-2012 at 04:05 AM.
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