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    So which way does the team go?

    DE/MLB?

    MLB/DE?

    DE/OLB?

    or other? Like WR/TE, DE/RB, CB/WR

    Somehow given the consistent and obvious need for additional edge pass rush help my belief is we will draft a DE in the 1st round unless Tannehill or Richardson are available at 12. If either of those choices happen then round two will become more significant in the search to find an edge rusher. I find it hard to believe that this FO will draft a MLB at 12th OA but stand to be proven wrong. I somehow think our choices at 12 are going to be the player the team sees fits best from Coples, Perry, Ingram or Upshaw unless we've all been bamboozled by predraft BS.
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    You'd think having less needs would make things easier for me but I've never been so torn on which direction to go.

    Based on that I'd be less annoyed with certain selections. At this point only QB, RB, TE, CB, and S are off limits in round 1.

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    I'm not zeroed in on MLB. Any linebacker will do. With Hill and Ruud back, we're okay at both positions, and able to upgrade both positions. I'd prefer to draft two pass rushers.

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    Do you seriously think the team will do just that, or are there wildcards like Richardson, or Tannehill, Claiborne??? that would change their direction?

    So many seasons we've gone into a draft in a position to draft a solid DE and have been aced out, just missed, or select some schlub who busts out. Will they be smart/lucky enough to finally get a legit edge rusher?
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    I'd be very hesitant to put any positions off limits, including QB. As hopeful as we are on Flynn, dude is unproven; Jackson is proven, but unfortunately not in a good way. If there is a player of great value available that we didn't expect, we should not dismiss it because of position. Things can change quickly in the NFL. Remember when we had all those stud LBs? ***poof***

    But if we can find help at DE and Flynn pans out, we are gonna be a really tough out this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jammer View Post
    Do you seriously think the team will do just that, or are there wildcards like Richardson, or Tannehill, Claiborne??? that would change their direction?

    So many seasons we've gone into a draft in a position to draft a solid DE and have been aced out, just missed, or select some schlub who busts out. Will they be smart/lucky enough to finally get a legit edge rusher?
    I think the issue has to be is Couples really that stud DE or another guy who'll not live up to expectations. There have been questions raised about his effort and focus. One thing he can't afford to do is coast on his raw ability, the NFL is a whole new level so that has given me some concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawksFanNorth View Post
    I think the issue has to be is Couples really that stud DE or another guy who'll not live up to expectations. There have been questions raised about his effort and focus. One thing he can't afford to do is coast on his raw ability, the NFL is a whole new level so that has given me some concerns.
    Take a listen to Coples on the Kevin Calabro show from earlier today. The guy comes off as being functionally retarded. Granted, you don't have to be a genius to sack the QB, but he answered the question about his perceived lack of effort with, "I just want to be the best DE in the NFL".

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkfanforlife View Post
    Take a listen to Coples on the Kevin Calabro show from earlier today. The guy comes off as being functionally retarded. Granted, you don't have to be a genius to sack the QB, but he answered the question about his perceived lack of effort with, "I just want to be the best DE in the NFL".
    I'm sure Lawrence Jackson would have spit out a much more cogent answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMR View Post
    I'm sure Lawrence Jackson would have spit out a much more cogent answer.
    Lol, quoted verbatim from Espinoza even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawksFanNorth View Post
    I think the issue has to be is Couples really that stud DE or another guy who'll not live up to expectations. There have been questions raised about his effort and focus. One thing he can't afford to do is coast on his raw ability, the NFL is a whole new level so that has given me some concerns.
    He reminds me of Lamar King and Jimmy Kennedy... Ton's of talent but lacks the heart and work ethic... IOW's, a very lazy player - the very opposite of the guy he get's compared to in Julius Peppers...

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    AO, the quesiton on work ethic is exactly why I'm worried about Coples. I mean take a look around the league at the top DE's and you'll find it's incredibly rare to find one that is not at the top of the charts work ethic wise.

    Pass rushers we're talking Freeney, Clay Matthews, J. Allen, Peppers, D. Ware, T. Suggs, Aldon Smith and Von Miller. These guys run around like their heads are cut off with an endless drive to get to the QB.

    Coples could easily go down with the healthy lot of very talented players that pitch up a tent and start to collect a pay check. He scares me and his mind set just doesn't really go with the "program" mind set. Compete, compete, compete on every play. I think the mistake many of these powerful and very high paid people make (coaches and management) are thinking they can mold and change people. This mind set is often engrained in who that person is.

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    Maybe if Coples is used in a scheme similar to how Aldon Smith is used will negate his ability to "take plays off". If Red is playing 1st & 2nd down, Coples would only be need in nickel situations & to spell Clemons for a few series each game. Say 40% of the defensive snaps. Probably wouldn't be too hard to get motivated when you know that you're only getting a handful of opportunities a game.

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    The kid is 22 years old and has been told he was special and if he stayed healthy he'd be drafted early and become rich. He stayed healthy. He's going to be drafted early and will become rich. However to justify staying in the league and to getting paid really big bucks he's actually going to have to prove he's as talented as it appears he could be. I think our coaching staff will squeeze every ounce of talent from this kid, and believe much of the criticism is tactical, overblown, and will be proven just flat-out wrong.

    When he had to show he was uber talented he was a freaking unstoppable pass rushing monster against some good OTs at the Senior Bowl. He was so totally dominant therethat many astonished draft experts thought he was the 2nd coming of Peppers before playing a single game as a pro. Now in silly season just before the draft some are questioning his work ethic and I suppose time will tell on that front after all he din't have a huge year as Senior but played a lot of that year out of position as a DT. If he is drafted by the Seahawks, which could happen, I really don't share the handwringing worry that several here have expounded. I find it hard to believe any player who Pete drafts wouldn't be a guy the FO knows will buy in and has the ability to be a mad dog with that "excessive drive to get to the QB". if Coples has convinced the FO he has the desire to be all he can be we'd be lucky to have him as he could be Peppers good, if not we'll see Upshaw, Ingram, Perry, or another in the fancy new Seahawks uniform next season bringing the heat opposite Clem in passing situations.

    I'm hoping Coples falls to us and becomes everything his exceptional physical abilities allow him. I'm sure Pete will motivate him, I'm just as sure Bradley will teach him to be all he can be. If he's anywhere near as good as as he has shown at times in college in a strong conference we'll be overjoyed that we have a vicious nasty edge rush to combine with what may surprise as very strong interior pressure coming from our new 3 tech DT. A long unrealized need of the team will finally be filled.

    For one I'll be very happy if we finally get it or get lucky and select a legitimate edge rusher for the future this draft, we'll pick Coples if he drops to us and the FO thinks he's worth picking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McGruffHawk View Post
    I'd put Irvin at WSLB as a pass rush specialist to begin with, and go from there.
    The only thing that keeps rattling around in my pea brain is that if Irvin was all that...why didn't WVU move him to LB? It's not like they had anything special there. I know they run a wonky defense, but wouldn't you want your best eleven on the field?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jammer View Post
    For one I'll be very happy if we finally get it or get lucky and select a legitimate edge rusher for the future this draft, we'll pick Coples if he drops to us and the FO thinks he's worth picking.
    Count me in this camp as well. While Schneider and Carroll have done their usual poker face pose before the draft, I truly think they would be stupid to pass on this guy who I feel is the best pure pass rusher and can make the biggest impact immediately. But Bradley and Carroll know their defense and I trust them in this regard, so if they feel he is too much of a risk, then I will understand them passing on him if he happens to still be available. Three months ago, there was no talk of Coples being anywhere close to our pick at 12, but now it's very possible. I admit, he has what can be considered a high risk/reward, but I would rather say we swung and missed than regret a guy who might possibly vault this defense into the next level. Anyway, I'm excited. All this speculation leading up to the draft, only either to be elated, indifferent, or dropping our jaws over a questionable pick is entertaining nonetheless...
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