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    How much longer does Eli have in NY?

    This NY Times article examines Eli through his first 3 full seasons as the NYG starter (48 starts).

    Manning is widely being assessed as little more than an adequate quarterback, and a symbol of the team’s current role as a second-tier contender.
    “Whatever ‘It’ Is, Eli Is Without It,” read a headline over a column in The Record of Hackensack, N.J. A pair of Newsday reviews were topped with “Unfortunately, Eli’s as Good as He’s Going to Get,” and “Eli’s O.K. — That’s the Giants’ Problem.”
    This chart compares Eli's first 48 starts with those of the other Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, Palmer, Bulger, Favre and McNabb. Eli is at or near the bottom in whichever stat you value most, including some that aren't listed, such as YPA and adjusted YPA.

    In a recent Sports Illustrated poll, Eli was voted the 2nd easiest QB to intimidate, just behind Rex Grossman.

    All that said, over the past couple years, there have been several threads here which asked to rank the best QBs, and it's not that uncommon to find Eli listed within the bottom half of the top 10.

    I don't feel Eli can be labeled a bust at this point, but as the NYT article notes, whenever the Giants lose a game, the critics come out in force. Not only is Eli struggling to meet the expectations of a #1 overall pick, but he has the added pressures of being in New York, and living up to the Manning name (big brother in particular). Being just "O.K." isn't enough for a lot of people. Assuming the above headline holds true, that "Eli’s as Good as He’s Going to Get", how much longer will he have as NYG's starter?

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    Eli is average. That's all he is and all he ever will be. His leadership qualities stink as well. Who wants to follow a mouth breather into battle? He will be a starter in this league for the next decade with mixed results.

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    Lightbulb How much longer does Eli have in New York...

    Considering that the Giants have Anthony Wright on deck and Jared Lorenzen in the hole... Eli will be around a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gmaniac View Post
    Considering that the Giants have Anthony Wright on deck and Jared Lorenzen in the hole... Eli will be around a while.
    At what point should the Giants consider bringing in someone better than Wright/Lorenzen? Or -- again, if "Eli’s as Good as He’s Going to Get" -- should NYG plan on keeping him around into the next decade?

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    I can think of a lot of teams that may wish they had Eli right now.

    Minnesota
    Chicago
    San Fran
    Atlanta
    Carolina
    Buffalo
    Miami
    Philly (only because most of them think that McNabb is the worst QB in the league)
    Baltimore

    To name a few.
    "Offense, defense and special teams doing their job, each group have different objective and motives, but playing in harmony for each other, for the good of everyone. Wouldn't it be nice if Congress operated the same way?''

    -- Giants coach Tom Coughlin, during his team's visit to the White House Friday as the president honored the Giants for winning the Super Bowl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gmaniac View Post
    Considering that the Giants have Anthony Wright on deck and Jared Lorenzen in the hole... Eli will be around a while.
    Apparently i'm not the only one not impressed with Eli, eh?

    And just so it's said, looking at the last 5 Giant QB's records, you guys have been pretty mediocre for a long time!

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    Eli will have his hot and cold weeks. I expect him to stay in New York at least as long as Tom Coughlin or till his contract expires.

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    According to that chart, Eli has had a better start than both Phil Simms and Fran Tarkenton -- Minnesota will definitely take him off your hands if you want!

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    The problem with Manning is obvious: he's just not an accurate passer. He misses more open receivers than just about any Qb in the league. And really, accuracy is very, very hard to develop. The ability to throw a ball accurately is largely the product of innate hand-eye-brain synchronicity. For the most part, either you have it, or you don't. Clearly, Manning wasn't born with it, and thus far, he's failed to develop it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GHOST OF JETMAN View Post
    The problem with Manning is obvious: he's just not an accurate passer. He misses more open receivers than just about any Qb in the league. And really, accuracy is very, very hard to develop. The ability to throw a ball accurately is largely the product of innate hand-eye-brain synchronicity. For the most part, either you have it, or you don't. Clearly, Manning wasn't born with it, and thus far, he's failed to develop it.
    All may be true, but I've seen him drop some very nice passes into tight spots. If he can develop more consistency he could become a fine QB. Whether he would have been inconsistent with another team or not is no mystery: he probably would have been - but he does seem to have adopted the personality of the Giant team themselves in that regard: occasional displays of impressive talent followed by inexplicable bouts of mediocrity. Well, they were somewhat explicable in the first three years due to his youth and growing arc, now it seems the honeymoon is over on that. But Simms took a while to get his bearings in New York, too.
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    This is a joke right!, Eli is in his 4th season and has made the playoffs the last 3 years only missing out in his rookie year. The problem is that we live in the fantasy pool era when players get judged on their stats and not on what counts in pro football, winning.
    The Giants don't care about what newspapers or commentators say about Eli, he will be a Giant as long as the team is a winner. If they put together a couple of losing seasons in a row, then he might go but until that happens he will remain their QB.
    If you want a list of teams that would take him off the Giant's hands just look up the 16 teams that didn't make the playoffs.
    If you want to think in terms of fantasy football or Madden football, then please remember your in fantasy land that has absolutely nothing to do with actually winning in the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy View Post
    I can think of a lot of teams that may wish they had Eli right now.

    Minnesota
    Chicago
    San Fran
    Atlanta
    Carolina
    Buffalo
    Miami
    Philly (only because most of them think that McNabb is the worst QB in the league)
    Baltimore

    To name a few.
    If Atlanta had a better line to protect, I'd take him immediately.
    "I just want to be a really filthy old man and get paid for it." -George Carlin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy View Post
    I can think of a lot of teams that may wish they had Eli right now.

    Minnesota
    Chicago
    San Fran
    Atlanta
    Carolina
    Buffalo
    Miami
    Philly (only because most of them think that McNabb is the worst QB in the league)
    Baltimore

    To name a few.
    Eh. I still think Smith has a higher ceiling. I think (with athleticism and smarts) he could do more than Eli, if he had Shockey, Burress, and an OL. Eli's a better pure passer, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenroher View Post
    This is a joke right!, Eli is in his 4th season and has made the playoffs the last 3 years only missing out in his rookie year. The problem is that we live in the fantasy pool era when players get judged on their stats and not on what counts in pro football, winning.
    The Giants don't care about what newspapers or commentators say about Eli, he will be a Giant as long as the team is a winner. If they put together a couple of losing seasons in a row, then he might go but until that happens he will remain their QB.
    If you want a list of teams that would take him off the Giant's hands just look up the 16 teams that didn't make the playoffs.
    If you want to think in terms of fantasy football or Madden football, then please remember your in fantasy land that has absolutely nothing to do with actually winning in the NFL.
    1) He made his bed. You wanted this, Eli, now you got it. You held a gun to the head of the NFL until you got to play on the biggest stage. Now perform, jaggoff. He deserves every bit of criticism and scrutiny he gets.

    2) He is not average - he's below. I keep hearing people say he is only a slightly better than average QB, or only a good, not great QB. Where? Not in the NFL. He's below average. He's ranked 20th right now in the NFL with a passer rating of 78.6, and this is his best passer rating in his 4 seasons. He finished 18th in '06, 23rd in '05 and 35th in '04. That's not average folks, that's below. We have this idea that he's pretty good because of his last name and his draft status and his potential. He hasnt shown that he's an average QB to date in the NFL.

    3) Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. But Dilfer wasnt the reason his team won. Look at the talent Eli has had to work with. Tiki, Plax, Toomer, Shockey, Jacobs, and a good offensive line. Let's not pretend he is Brett Favre carrying an average group of talent to greatness. Anyone who's watched his games knows that half his completions come from Eli throwing up a jump ball off his back foot that Plax comes down with. The playmakers on that offense are at positions other than QB. I agree that winning is all that matters. But the point here is that 15-20 QBs in this league could take this talented Giants team to another level. They are winning (4 games over .500 in 4 seasons, so barely) with Eli, but they could be better. Eli holds them back.

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    The Bucs would easily look at acquiring Eli as Garcia has maybe 1 year left in him.

    Eli's accuracy and mechanics can be improved upon. Eli is not as bad as people portray him to be. Honestly I think with a good QB coach and and an offensive system that fits his strengths would do him good in the long run.

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