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Old 11-30-2009, 05:11 PM
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Players involved in the 2010 comp picks equation

Here's an updated look at the players eligible for the 2010 compensatory picks equation. For players who were cut during the season, the date is included, as is the date they re-signed, if applicable. Players on the bubble to qualify for the equation are listed either as "high bubble" or "low bubble." The "high bubble" players typically have a better chance of qualifying, depending on their playing time. "NQ" indicates that the player did not sign for enough money to qualify for the equation.

The list --


ARIZONA
Lost – DE Antonio Smith, CB Eric Green (cut), RB Terrelle Smith, LB Monty Beisel (low bubble, cut 9/29), RB J.J. Arrington (cut)
Signed – CB Bryant McFadden, RB Jason Wright (high bubble)

ATLANTA
Lost – CB Dominique Foxworth, LB Michael Boley, LB Keith Brooking, DT Grady Jackson
Signed – LB Mike Peterson, C Brett Romberg (high bubble)

BALTIMORE
Lost – LB Bart Scott, C Jason Brown, S Jim Leonhard, QB Kyle Boller, CB Corey Ivy (low bubble, cut), FB Lorenzo Neal (low bubble, cut), WR Terrance Copper (NQ)
Signed – CB Dominique Foxworth, C Matt Birk, CB Chris Carr, TE L.J. Smith

BUFFALO
Lost – CB Jabari Greer, LB Angelo Crowell, C Duke Preston (high bubble, cut), DE Tony Hargrove (NQ)
Signed – C Geoff Hangartner, QB Ryan Fitzpatrick, RB Dominic Rhodes (cut), G Seth McKinney (NQ), LB Patrick Thomas (NQ, cut)

CAROLINA
Lost – C Geoff Hangartner, T Frank Omiyale, WR Mark Jones (high bubble, cut 9/5, re-signed 9/29), LB Adam Seward (NQ, cut)
Signed – none

CHICAGO
Lost – T John St. Clair, S Brandon McGowan (low bubble)
Signed – T Frank Omiyale, S Josh Bullocks

CINCINNATI
Lost – WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh, T Stacy Andrews, QB Ryan Fitzpatrick, G Eric Ghiaciuc (NQ, cut)
Signed – WR Laveranues Coles, QB J.T. O’Sullivan, DT Tank Johnson (NQ)

CLEVELAND
Lost – S Sean Jones, RB Jason Wright (high bubble), G Scott Young (cut), TE Darnell Dinkins (low bubble), G Seth McKinney (NQ), CB Travis Daniels (NQ, cut)
Signed – LB Eric Barton, T John St. Clair, DE C.J. Mosley, T Floyd Womack (high bubble), CB Corey Ivy (low bubble, cut), CB Hank Poteat (low bubble)

DALLAS
Lost – DE Chris Canty, LB Kevin Burnett, LB Zach Thomas (cut), G Joe Berger (high bubble), DT Tank Johnson (NQ), S Keith Davis (NQ, cut)
Signed – DT Igor Olshansky, LB Keith Brooking, S Gerald Sensabaugh

DENVER
Lost – CB Karl Paymah, QB Patrick Ramsey (low bubble, cut 10/3)
Signed – CB Andre Goodman, S Brian Dawkins, QB Chris Simms, NT Ronald Fields, WR Jabar Gaffney, CB Renaldo Hill, DT Darrell Reid, RB Correll Buckhalter, RB LaMont Jordan, LS Lonie Paxton, T Brandon Gorin (NQ), RB J.J. Arrington (cut), G Scott Young (cut)

DETROIT
Lost – NT Shaun Cody, QB Dan Orlovsky, RB Moran Norris, TE John Owens (high bubble), LB Paris Lenon (low bubble, cut), WR Shaun McDonald (NQ)
Signed – CB Phillip Buchanon, WR Bryant Johnson, DT Grady Jackson, T Daniel Loper, CB Eric King, RB Maurice Morris, RB Terrelle Smith, LB Cody Spencer (NQ, IR in preseason), TE Will Heller (NQ)

GREEN BAY
Lost – DT Colin Cole
Signed – C Duke Preston (high bubble, cut)

HOUSTON
Lost – S C.C. Brown, CB DeMarcus Faggins (cut), LS Bryan Pittman (NQ, cut)
Signed – DE Antonio Smith, QB Dan Orlovsky, NT Shaun Cody, OL Adrian Jones (NQ, cut)

INDIANAPOLIS

Lost – DT Darrell Reid, RB Dominic Rhodes (cut), P Hunter Smith (low bubble), CB Keiwan Ratliff (NQ)
Signed – LB Adam Seward (NQ, cut)

JACKSONVILLE
Lost – LB Mike Peterson, S Gerald Sensabaugh, T Khalif Barnes, S Pierson Prioleau (low bubble)
Signed – T Tra Thomas, S Sean Considine

KANSAS CITY
Lost – LB Patrick Thomas (NQ, cut), OL Adrian Jones (NQ, cut)
Signed – LB Zach Thomas (cut), G Mike Goff, WR Bobby Engram (cut 11/9), LB Monty Beisel (low bubble, cut 9/29), WR Terrance Copper (NQ), G Eric Ghiaciuc (NQ, cut), CB Travis Daniels (NQ, cut 9/4, re-signed 11/4), TE Sean Ryan (NQ)

MIAMI
Lost – CB Andre Goodman, CB Renaldo Hill, C Al Johnson (high bubble, cut)
Signed – C Jake Grove, CB Eric Green (cut), G Joe Berger (high bubble)

MINNESOTA
Lost – C Matt Birk, S Darren Sharper, T Marcus Johnson (NQ, cut)
Signed – CB Karl Paymah

NEW ENGLAND
Lost – WR Jabar Gaffney, FB Heath Evans, LS Lonie Paxton, RB LaMont Jordan, LB Larry Izzo (low bubble)
Signed – C Al Johnson (high bubble, cut), LB Paris Lenon (low bubble, cut), S Brandon McGowan (low bubble), DT Damane Duckett (cut)

NEW ORLEANS
Lost – S Josh Bullocks
Signed – CB Jabari Greer, S Darren Sharper, FB Heath Evans, TE Darnell Dinkins (low bubble), S Pierson Prioleau (low bubble), DE Tony Hargrove (NQ), C Nick Leckey (NQ)

NEW YORK GIANTS
Lost – RB Derrick Ward, S James Butler, DE Renaldo Wynn (low bubble, cut 10/12, re-signed 10/12, cut 10/18, reisigned 10/19)
Signed – DE Chris Canty, LB Michael Boley, DT Rocky Bernard, S C.C. Brown

NEW YORK JETS
Lost – WR Laveranues Coles, LB Eric Barton, DE C.J. Mosley, K Mike Nugent (cut 10/5), CB Hank Poteat (low bubble), LB Cody Spencer (NQ)
Signed – LB Bart Scott, S Jim Leonhard, CB Donald Strickland, LB Larry Izzo (low bubble), DT Howard Green (NQ, cut 10/17, re-signed 10/20)

OAKLAND
Lost – C Jake Grove, S Rashad Baker (high bubble, cut)
Signed – T Khalif Barnes, QB Jeff Garcia (cut), FB Lorenzo Neal (low bubble, cut), T Marcus Johnson (NQ, cut), DT Ryan Boschetti (NQ, cut), S Keith Davis (NQ, cut)

PHILADELPHIA
Lost – S Brian Dawkins, T Tra Thomas, RB Correll Buckhalter, TE L.J. Smith, S Sean Considine
Signed – T Stacy Andrews, S Sean Jones, RB Leonard Weaver, S Rashad Baker (high bubble, cut)

PITTSBURGH
Lost – CB Bryant McFadden, WR Nate Washington, QB Byron Leftwich, T Marvel Smith (retired)
Signed – WR Shaun McDonald (NQ), CB Keiwan Ratliff (NQ)

SAN DIEGO
Lost – DT Igor Olshansky, G Mike Goff, LB Marques Harris (NQ, cut 10/28)
Signed – LB Kevin Burnett

SAN FRANCISCO
Lost – WR Bryant Johnson, NT Ronald Fields, QB J.T. O’Sullivan, CB Donald Strickland, TE Billy Bajema (low bubble), TE Sean Ryan (NQ), DT Damane Duckett (cut)
Signed – WR Brandon Jones, RB Moran Norris, DE Demetric Evans, T Marvel Smith (retired), LB Marques Harris (NQ, cut 10/28)

SEATTLE
Lost – DT Rocky Bernard, RB Maurice Morris, RB Leonard Weaver, WR Bobby Engram (cut 11/9), T Floyd Womack (high bubble), TE Will Heller (NQ), DT Howard Green (NQ, cut 10/17, re-signed 10/20)
Signed – WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh, DT Colin Cole, TE John Owens (high bubble), LS Bryan Pittman (NQ, cut)

ST. LOUIS
Lost – C Brett Romberg (high bubble), C Nick Leckey (NQ), T Brandon Gorin (NQ)
Signed – C Jason Brown, S James Butler, QB Kyle Boller, TE Billy Bajema (low bubble)

TAMPA BAY
Lost – CB Phillip Buchanon, DT Jovan Haye, QB Jeff Garcia (cut)
Signed – RB Derrick Ward, LB Angelo Crowell (IR in preseason), K Mike Nugent (cut 10/5), QB Byron Leftwich

TENNESSEE

Lost – DT Albert Haynesworth, WR Brandon Jones, QB Chris Simms, CB Chris Carr, CB Eric King, T Daniel Loper
Signed – WR Nate Washington, DT Jovan Haye, CB DeMarcus Faggins (cut), WR Mark Jones (high bubble, cut 9/5, re-signed 9/29), QB Patrick Ramsey (low bubble, cut 10/3)

WASHINGTON
Lost – DE Demetric Evans, DT Ryan Boschetti (NQ, cut)
Signed – DT Albert Haynesworth, DE Renaldo Wynn (low bubble, cut 10/10, re-signed 10/12, cut 10/17, resigned 10/19), P Hunter Smith (low bubble)



Someone recently asked me whether Laveranues Coles might not be eligible for the compensatory picks equation because he was "cut" by the Jets. Coles was not released by the Jets, although some media reports said he was. The Jets actually renegotiated his contract to make his 2009 season voidable, so his contract voided, and he became a true Unrestricted Free Agent.

Plenty of players have qualified for the comp equation after becoming a UFA because of their contract voided, even if the voidable year was put in the contract through renegotiation. However, Coles' situation is a little less clear because of the timing involved. Coles' renegotiation was signed on Feb. 25, and his contract voided on Feb. 27. Normally, a player "earns" a void in his contract by doing something more than simply waiting two days, so it's possible that the NFL will not consider Coles eligible for the comp picks equation. Players who have had contract years simply deleted -- not converted to voidable years -- by renegotiation have never qualified for the equation, and Coles' situation is close to that. However, because a voidable year has never disqualified a player from the equation, I'm currently projecting that Coles will be eligible.

While researching Coles' case, I discovered that Andra Davis had his 2009 and 2010 seasons deleted by renegotiation, so he no longer appears on this list. Because Davis' current team (Denver) and his former team (Cleveland) both signed more players than they lost, he likely wouldn't have affected the comp picks anyway.

As always, corrections and questions are welcomed at adamjt13.blogspot.com.
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Old 11-30-2009, 05:35 PM
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Do the Vikes stand a chance at getting something for Birk/Sharper? They did sign Favre, so that is probably a no.
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Old 11-30-2009, 05:53 PM
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Do the Vikes stand a chance at getting something for Birk/Sharper? They did sign Favre, so that is probably a no.
Did you even read the list? Favre doesn't appear on there, as I assume he was cut.
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Adam, does Marvel Smith retiring have an effect on the 9ers potential comp picks as well as the Steelers? He wasn't on the opening day roster.
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CLEVELAND
Lost – S Sean Jones, RB Jason Wright (high bubble), G Scott Young (cut), TE Darnell Dinkins (low bubble), G Seth McKinney (NQ), CB Travis Daniels (NQ, cut)
Signed – LB Eric Barton, T John St. Clair, DE C.J. Mosley, T Floyd Womack (high bubble), CB Corey Ivy (low bubble, cut), CB Hank Poteat (low bubble)
The Browns would have been so much better off if they didn't sign most of those guys and just took the comp picks. Don't see why bad teams don't do that.
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Do the Vikes stand a chance at getting something for Birk/Sharper? They did sign Favre, so that is probably a no.
Favre doesn't count. Paymah cancels out the loss of Sharper, so they'll get a comp pick for Birk.
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Adam, does Marvel Smith retiring have an effect on the 9ers potential comp picks as well as the Steelers? He wasn't on the opening day roster.
Smith doesn't qualify for the equation, so he won't be included for either team.
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The Browns would have been so much better off if they didn't sign most of those guys and just took the comp picks. Don't see why bad teams don't do that.
Even if they didn't sign any qualifying players, the only guy they'd definitely get a pick for is Jones, and he's probably worth only a seventh-round pick. Jason Wright would be worth a low seventh, if he even qualifies.

I'd say signing quality players is more important than adding seventh-round draft picks. Maybe they didn't sign the guys they should have, but I wouldn't fault them for signing guys instead of taking seventh-round comp picks.
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Smith doesn't qualify for the equation, so he won't be included for either team.
What I figured.

Couldn't find any financial info on the deals of Donald Strickland or JT O'Turnover and was wondering if you know what they might be. Seems Johnson/Jones and Fields/Evans basically counteract but not sure the terms of the above contracts.
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I've got a question for you, Adam.

Since TJ Houshmandzadeh has totally sucked this season, does that enter into the equation and if so, how much impact does that have?

Receptions 56
Yards 632
Avg. 11.3
TDs 3

Geez, I actually didn't know he had that many grabs so maybe I am getting my hopes up too high for a nice comp pick, if any.
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I just read your blog and that basically answers my question.

But I do have another question for you - Is the formula based on dollars players signed for, or performance or both?
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I just read your blog and that basically answers my question.

But I do have another question for you - Is the formula based on dollars players signed for, or performance or both?
From Adam's past explanations, it's mostly based on contract, and then on post season honors. I don't think stats play into the equation at all.

Best I can figure is that the Hawks will get late round picks for Weaver and Engram, and possibly Womack. Doubt we get anything higher than a 6th, and I'm actually thinking 2 7ths.
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From Adam's past explanations, it's mostly based on contract, and then on post season honors. I don't think stats play into the equation at all.

Best I can figure is that the Hawks will get late round picks for Weaver and Engram, and possibly Womack. Doubt we get anything higher than a 6th, and I'm actually thinking 2 7ths.
You are very close to what Adam posted on his blog.

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Unless Seattle releases and thereby disqualifies Houshmandzadeh and/or Cole, the Seahawks once again won't get a comp pick higher than the seventh round. (They got three seventh-round comp picks this year.) Houshmandzadeh and Cole both signed for more money per season than anyone the Seahawks lost, and they would cancel out the losses of the two highest-valued players the Seahawks lost, Bernard and Morris. The other players Seattle lost, Weaver, Engram and Womack (if he qualifies), would be worth seventh-round comp picks at best, based on their average contract values.
There's a bit more info in there, Gruff, so go check it out, homie.
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But I do have another question for you - Is the formula based on dollars players signed for, or performance or both?
There are only three factors -- contract value, playing time and postseason honors. Of those, contract value is by far the biggest factor, then playing time. Postseason honors are only a small factor.

So, "performance" really isn't a factor, unless it affects playing time or postseason honors. If a guy plays every snap and doesn't go to the Pro Bowl (or make All-Pro), it doesn't matter if he's terrible or pretty good, it counts exactly the same in the formula.
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The Browns would have been so much better off if they didn't sign most of those guys and just took the comp picks. Don't see why bad teams don't do that.
I don't think its worth not even trying to compete in any give season just to gain an extra 6th and 7th rounder.
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