Twins 2009: Year Long Thread - Page 83

PsychoViking · #**1231** 10-12-2009, 01:54 AM

Cuddyer is the least clutch player EVER! I don't know what that idiot was thinking. Cabrera and Mauer on and he swings at TWO pitches that were above his head. It looked like the dumbest thing anyone has ever seen.

PsychoViking · #**1232** 10-12-2009, 02:30 AM

Eh, Twins are going to lose this one. Never really had a shot against $200M.

Gardy is really showing his incompetence, though. Morales had looked in over his head all postseason and he had no business hitting with Delmon on 2nd.

This team finds new ways to lose every night. Punto, one of Gardy's heroes, is a turd. There was ZERO reason for him to try to score on that play. Its embarrassing how many times he makes base running mistakes just to try to be a hero and show everyone how hard he tries and hustles. He makes tons of baserunning mistakes every year because of the same crap.

Its just sad.

If you don't think all this stuff is related to Gardy, you are crazy.

Nice to see all the same garbage. Nathan makes WAY too much money to piss himself like this (again). Fatty (Mijares) needs to learn how to throw strikes. How many times has he come in to face 1 batter and walk him?

VikingFan2k2 · #**1233** 10-12-2009, 08:30 AM

Man I'm really depressed right now... I didn't expect the Twins to win the series, but I at least thought they would make it competitive...

Cuddyer hurt his stock bigtime, Nathan pissed himself and I am going to puke in my own shoes...

Pavano pitched great and deserved to win, but the offense showed no balls, no heart and they looked like fools.

My stomach is just sick right now...

PsychoViking · #**1234** 10-12-2009, 03:07 PM

I would re-sign Mauer, then look at what you can get for Cuddyer. He had a career year and is unlikely to duplicate it. Get a good SS/2B prospect or a good pitcher out if it and I'd be happy. I think Pridie would be fine as a 4th OF. If not, I don't think OF depth is really an issue within the org.

I'd also shop Nathan. I wouldn't trade him unless you could get something very good out if it but the reality is that he is getting old and tends to lose something at the end of every year.

Re-sign Cabrera, even though he a terrible defensive SS. Not too many options there.

Look at the 2B that are on the market. Is Felipe Lopez a FA? If so, it would be stupid to not throw some money at him.

Find a 3B somewhere, not sure you can depend on Valencia to step up and its sure as heck not Buscher.

Nastradamus · #**1235** 10-12-2009, 04:41 PM

A team like the Twins has to keep a guy like Cuddyer. They can't replace his production. Especially since they will probably have a defensive oriented IF again. Its worth it when you are small market though. Defense is a way they can gain back some of the competitive advantage. As a Tiger fan, I am very grateful for what Adam Everett brought to the table for us. He is incompetent at the plate, but defense is priority 1 at SS and he changed the nature of our team this year. I'll take him back in a heartbeat. It'd be nice if the Twins could use Punto,Cabrera and Casilla in some sort of rotation next year, but Cabrera probably bolts. With Cuddyer, he is not a big time bat, but you can't afford one. Having him between all those lefties is ideal for this team. I wouldn't mess with Span,Mauer,Morneau,Cuddyer,Kubel. Find a leadoff guy, try to get a little more production out of the bottom of the order(Young had a solid 2nd half, so that helps) and solidify the SP(keep Pavano?) and you will be back in the mix next year.

If you had Morneau and didn't have to play a day after the Tigers playoff, you would have been in that series.

The Q · #**1236** 10-12-2009, 04:44 PM

They need to find a cheap RHH to platoon with Kubel, who is abominable against LHs.

I guess they're stuck with Cuddyer in RF as well, since Kubel is a DH.

Nastradamus · #**1237** 10-12-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Q

They need to find a cheap RHH to platoon with Kubel, who is abominable against LHs.

I guess they're stuck with Cuddyer in RF as well, since Kubel is a DH.

Yah, get another good defensive OF who is better than Go-GO and play him in RF vs. Lefties with Cuddyer at DH. Gomez just makes too many mistakes mentally and offers no bat. They could also consider Marcus Thames if they want cheap power and a guy who kills lefties. i think a strong right handed pinch hitter would be very valuable to a club with its top 4 hitters being lefties.

Fandango · #**1238** 10-12-2009, 08:35 PM

Thing is, and I am sure you guys realize this, if you are going to have people in the lineup that give you no offensive value then they must truly be elite defenders for them to be positive additions to the team. If the team followed that mantra, we would not have Orlando Cabrera, Nick Punto, or Delmon Young around next season.

I would like to see the outfield consist of Span in left, Gomez in CF, and Cuddyer in RF, with Kubel as the DH and Pridie as the utility OF, pinch runner, and if he can hit lefty pitchers as a platoon with Kubel as DH.

The infield is clearly where we need to spend a little bit of money though. We have holes at 3b, SS, and 2b. There is talk that Danny Valencia might be able to start at 3b for us, but knowing how the Twins like to sh*t on young players, I expect to see him start the season in the minors.

ducky · #**1239** 10-13-2009, 10:09 PM

The "writers" in the star trib are seriously in on the trade Nathan spiel.

How the hell can people not remember how bad our bullpen was early in this year and most of last season??? If you take Nathan out of the back end of that pen, we will be one of the worst in the league guarenteed.

Who the hell would even save for us??? Guerrier

. Mijares

Crain.

And if one of those guys are in the 9th inning, who do we have in the 8th and then the 7th. Nathan has one bad month and everyone is ready to throw him under a bus. Ridiculous. Nathan is one of the few really good things this team has going for it.

Fandango · #**1240** 10-14-2009, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ducky

The "writers" in the star trib are seriously in on the trade Nathan spiel.

And if one of those guys are in the 9th inning, who do we have in the 8th and then the 7th. Nathan has one bad month and everyone is ready to throw him under a bus. Ridiculous. Nathan is one of the few really good things this team has going for it.

I agree. It is really obvious that Nathan had a rough go of it to end the season (he never seemed like himself after the three homer blown save he had to the White Sox), but the team shouldn't overreact to it, and I believe that they won't overreact. If we get rid of Nathan, what exactly is our plan for filling his huge shoes in the bullpen? Spend money in free agency? Yeah, the team sure has shown a willingness to spend money in the bullpen in the offseason (not). Their is no one currently on the team that can take his place as the lockdown closer for us.

This is not to mention the fact that Nathan just won't have the trade value necessary to acquire meaningful pieces in return. The only team that would go after him is a team that (a) thinks they are going to contend for a title (Nathan is 35 afterall), and (b) is a big enough money team to be willing to spend $10+ million a season on a closer. Most of the big spending teams that can contend already have established closers, just go down the list and take a look. The only one that doesn't is Philly, but many of their prospects have gone away in other trades. Closers just don't have as much trade value during the offseason, as their always seem to be a few good ones on the FA market every year that won't cost a team any minor league prospects.

The Q · #**1241** 11-01-2009, 05:46 PM

Anyone know what Parmelle's long term position is gonna be? He's listed as a 1B/OF by most.

Fandango · #**1242** 11-01-2009, 09:41 PM

Everything I have seen lists him as a OF/1b/DH kind of player.

The Q · #**1243** 11-02-2009, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fandango

Everything I have seen lists him as a OF/1b/DH kind of player.

He sounds like he could be the power hitter the twins have been looking to develop, unfortunately he won't be ready probably until after Mauer's contract expires. Hopefully he'll be able to step in to Cuddyer's spot at some point.

ducky · #**1244** 11-03-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Q

Anyone know what Parmelle's long term position is gonna be? He's listed as a 1B/OF by most.

They started him at 3rd when he 1st got here but he couldn't handle it so they moved him to RF for the most part.

He's a very un-Twin's like player and IMO they will use him as trade bait eventually as he is one of those high walk, high K, low average power hitters (in the Nick Swisher type of mode) that other teams value a lot more than the Twins do. Although he was a player they liked very much as he was a 1st round pick so who knows.

Not to mention he has a LONG way to go before he even starts to sniff the majors. Still has yet to make it out of single A. I'd be shocked to see him in the majors anytime over the next 2 years.

Fandango · #**1245** 11-03-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ducky

He's a very un-Twin's like player ... high walk, high K, low average power hitters (in the Nick Swisher type of mode) that other teams value a lot more than the Twins do.

I love players like that, and I wish the Twins would start liking them too.