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    Obviously, whether or not an objective/absolute...

    Obviously, whether or not an objective/absolute morality exists.

    Being unable to fully encapsulate and formulate objective morality =/= no objective morality existing.
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    I wasn't "sloppy"... rather, I flat-out...

    <sigh> I wasn't "sloppy"... rather, I flat-out stated:

    "I don't conceive of objective/universal/absolute morality as a set of rules or maxims. I conceive of it more as a totality that is sown into...
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    No. Read the links above. Notice the phrase,...

    No.

    Read the links above. Notice the phrase, "all else being equal" that is used in both links.

    You hinting towards the hijinx of certain oil interests is a case of all else not being equal....
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    Speaking for myself: I guess I don't know quite...

    Speaking for myself: I guess I don't know quite what you mean by "exceptions" to "moral laws."

    For one thing... I don't think objective/universal/absolute morality has exceptions.

    For another...
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    Like I said, I don't really see a good reason to...

    Like I said, I don't really see a good reason to get into a whole side argument about it... but your characterization that the economic Laws of Supply and Demand are "riddled with exceptions" is, at...
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    No, he really didn't... not beyond the more...

    No, he really didn't... not beyond the more supercilious than substantive quick response that he is sometimes want to give.

    "c'mon now" ??

    You're scoffing at a couple of the basic,...
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    Arguably, sure. This is a matter that economists...

    Arguably, sure. This is a matter that economists wrangle over. I won't deny that.

    I really don't see a good reason to go too far down this side argument, though. Analogies don't have to be 100%...
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    It's basic, high school econ... so the wikipedia...

    It's basic, high school econ... so the wikipedia definitions should suffice:
    - Law of Supply
    - Law of Demand

    I think these are *better* analogy possibilities especially in the face of CHF's...
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    What about the Laws of Supply and Demand? ...

    What about the Laws of Supply and Demand?

    These laws seem much less blatantly obvious as the Law of Gravity... yet they play out as laws all the same.

    Better possible analogy?
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    ^ Did tyke actually do this... specifically...

    ^ Did tyke actually do this... specifically question why or how atheists/doubters have a moral framework?

    Or has his questioning revolved consistently around the logic of the position of certain...
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    ^ Couldn't pass up the opportunity, I suppose....

    ^ Couldn't pass up the opportunity, I suppose. :dozey:
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    If you stop a moment and look closely, you'll...

    If you stop a moment and look closely, you'll notice that tyke said objective morality is foundational... it has to exist first... in order for subjective morality to exist.

    That's totally in...
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    ^ Never took you as the thin-skinned type, Nas.

    ^ Never took you as the thin-skinned type, Nas.
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    I hope you didn't throw your back out there, CHF....

    I hope you didn't throw your back out there, CHF. :tongue3:
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    +1 Matthew 10: 16...

    +1

    Matthew 10: 16
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    In my defense, you did flat out say that...

    In my defense, you did flat out say that "morality is subjective"... so...

    In your defense, you are jumping into some frothy philosophical waters... (that is, a contentious and oft-argued...
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    I don't agree with you that this is all a matter...

    I don't agree with you that this is all a matter of "semantics"... or that this is a quibbling point. I think something substantial... even critical... is at issue.

    Yes, we can't precisely define...
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    Ok? Which one of those simple questions is...

    Ok? Which one of those simple questions is "baffling" you?
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    Your opinion is noted. For the record, I have no...

    Your opinion is noted. For the record, I have no idea what you are talking about.

    If you'd like to back any of this up... please do.
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    Not necessarily... it depends on how in line your...

    Not necessarily... it depends on how in line your "hate" is with objective morality. If it is closer to the mark, your "hate" is righteous. If it is further from the mark, you're just a no good,...
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    You're all attitude and no substance in...

    <yawn>

    You're all attitude and no substance in this last series of posts, Nas.
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    ^ That's an impressive number of question marks...

    ^ That's an impressive number of question marks in the face of some relatively simple questions, Nas.
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    I don't know that I'm ready to get that biblical...

    I don't know that I'm ready to get that biblical with BPM, I was more being tongue-in-cheek. These arguments always seem to play out the same way:

    Poster #1 - If some kind of universal, objective,...
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    :scholar: Well, we're not on new ground yet. ...

    :scholar: Well, we're not on new ground yet.

    This is the point in our conversation where I usually counter that "unknowable" is a fairly loose term. Do we mean 'unknowable' as in 1.) completely...
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    Going back and reading that post in context... I...

    Going back and reading that post in context... I think Sey was (obviously) razzing Nas.

    Little slow on the uptake this morning, Jim? :tongue3:
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