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I certainly agree that the biggest difference between the Super Bowl winning Patriots and the almost Super Bowl winning Patriots was their defense. They had a GREAT defense in the early 2000s.
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Poor Walsh.

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Is it? So far you might have Cindy Thomas, some career civil servant who manages some people. Definitely a monster scandal!

Those are subjective assessments. When it's all said and done, they continued to win at the same pace but didn't get the breaks they did early on. I just don't see any measurable metrics that...

This argument doesn't hold water. They went to 2 Super Bowls that came down to improbable catches. It's not like they disappeared into obscurity. Double digit wins every year since spy gate...

It was 6 years ago. How long would you like to obsess over it?

I'm not looking to debate the merits of the Pats. I was simply pointing out that their record didn't change post-spygate. Really the only big difference is that the breaks went the other way for...

Agreed. If neither team wins a Super Bowl in the next 2 seasons then claims of dynasty would die stillborn.

IMO, that was the main reason why the Patriots were a dynasty. They were able to win...

You said that the new law imposed on law abiding citizens. I asked you in what ways and you chose to engage in slippery slope arguments about some nefarious database that will be created.


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I counted 5754 specifically which could have been your byline.

Well it certainly isn't definitive. It's somewhat useful as a guide.

Personally I would argue that the Seahawks had the best scoring differential in football last year and haven't lost a game...

So it doesn't actually impose on law abiding citizens except in an abstract slippery slope sort of way? Gotcha. The all purpose trump card of gun advocates. The slippery slope.

That wasn't his original argument. It was pulled out of his fairly long article.

I hear ya. I am no fan of people that twist stats to make their arguments, which is the biggest problem I have with several NST posters.

I just didn't see Still doing that in this thread.

The more important question is whether it had a meaningful impact.

Have the Patriots won fewer games after spygate than they did prior to it, on a per season basis?

You know I respect you, Pop, but I think you are being a little nitpicky focusing on this one point in a 6000 word article.

I think Still was making a general statement and used Pro Bowls to support his argument. He most certainly did not say "Well the Seahawks are the only team that can succeed based on their Pro Bowl...

There are several teams that have young QBs that are good enough to potentially win Super Bowls. The question then becomes, what teams have the most talent beyond QB? Certainly the Niners and...

So the folks that really have a problem with Still's reasoning are Niner fans? Why does this not surprise me?

If no one buys guns from non-dealers why would a law that expands background checks to non-dealer sales impose on law abiding citizens?

Most of the short points have recovered. Weird to smell the fresh wood while walking down the boardwalk.

Maybe it was a massive conspiracy going all the way to the top.

Pretty impressive they were able to prevent any sort of leaks about the conspiracy though.

In the books it was even more clumsy than the show. They will explain how the White Walker died.

Your false king is dead, bastard. He and all his host were smashed in seven days of battle. I have his magic sword. Tell his red whore. Your false king’s friends are dead. Their heads upon the walls...

Only two players I mentioned that wasn't on the initial Pro Bowl roster were Russell Wilson and Chancellor.

Lynch, Okung, Unger, and Thomas were all on the initial Pro Bowl roster. Sherman made...